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Expertocracy’s Information Ministry Will Soon Release Approved Truths List

No government wants or enjoys criticism, even as they all lie and say they welcome it. Further, everybody knows these two humble truths.

It is only when a government decides it will not allow political criticism that a state of tyranny exists. The emphasis is on political.

For example, a critic (with good reason) charges the government with theft over some new tax policy. The government moves to shut the critic up, perhaps by arresting him. A standard, everyday regime suppression technique.

That’s politics. Let’s now do science.

You have heard the slogan “Science is self correcting.” Ignoring the question of its veracity, or whether the slogan applies to other fields of intellectual endeavor (such as politics), and focus on how it must necessarily be true that any proposition in need of correction is false.

So science contains at least some falsehoods. I use the word in its dry, logical sense, which does not necessarily imply lie, a deliberate falsehood. These may be there, of course, but there are also honest mistakes. At any rate, if science did not contain falsehoods, it would not need self correction.

Our last, and most important, word is self. Self-correcting. Not outsider-correcting. Not uncredetialed-correcting. Not anything else but self.

When the slogan originated, not much thought was given to that word. It seemed clear that later scientists coming across the work of earlier scientists, corrected, they thought and hoped, the falsehoods in the earlier work. Scientists correcting scientists.

With me so far? Now look at this headline from Ireland, of a kind increasingly common: “Social media companies should be forced to take down false content or be fined – Oireachtas report“.

This report, incidentally, is part of the “Online Safety and Media Regulation Bill”. Safety.

This headline begs the questions, what is false information and who gets to decide truth and falsity?

Who gets to decide is easy. You won’t be surprised to hear the answer, either. Experts, given power in our expertocracy. What is “false” is that which is counter to any Expert consensus and is a proposition of political interest.

You can disagree, say, with the Expert consensus on Bigfoot’s existence, but since nobody politically cares about this, your belief is not officially “false.” You cannot, on the other hand, disagree with the Expert consensus on covid vaccine harm. If you do, and you have a sizable audience, and your “false” opinion reaches the ears of Experts, you will be canceled.

You can survive by criticizing the politics of vaccine mandates. Rail against those as much as you like. You cannot survive if you criticize The Science™ of them. Do that and you’re a goner. This is yet another proof of the growth of our expertocracy. The form of tyranny it takes is not quite the same as it takes in other forms of government.

How many have we seen canceled over Expert disagreement in the government-caused coronadoom panic?

Who did the canceling? YouTube, among others. Blue-haired harpies and weak-limbed soybys, reading off a list of Approved “Truths”, checked whether popular videos agreed or disagreed with Expert consensus. If the video disagreed, and it was popular enough, it was removed, and often its creator axed.

Same thing with other Big Tech platforms. It is not as if Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and so on, employ their own cadre of investigatory scientists who carefully digest and weigh the material in each tweet, post, or video and do the same service with scientific papers. The censors they employ haven’t the intelligence for this. They can only check some official, or what they take to be official, “truth” list.

Therefore, if this Safety thing becomes law in Ireland, or elsewhere, it necessarily requires the creation of a Ministry of Truth.

That semi-official list that Big Tech now employs must become fully official. And because this list is fully official, it must be officially filled with Approved Truths. That list must grow to encompass larger swaths of Expert opinion.

This isn’t a forecast on my part. It is an observation.

Headline: “The UK plans to make online ‘pile-ons’ a crime, in chillingly broad attempt to suppress speech”. Not only are single popular voices being canceled. But mass Expert disagreement wont be allowed either.

Headline: “Big Tech announces climate change ‘misinformation’ to be the next censorship target”.

The very word misinformation confirms the expertocracy, it confirms there must exist an official Approved Truths list.

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  1. As Lawyer Lionel Hutz from The Simpsons put it…

    “There’s the truth… 🙁 ”

    “And… THE TRUTH ™ 🙂 ”

    And it needs to be hung alongside THE SCIENCE ™.

    Rather than an offficial approved truth list, it is more marketer friendly to have an official disapproved and peosecutable Lie list. Everyone hates lies, right? Well the government intends to protect you from them!

    Oddly enough, I came across this doozy today…
    https://www.rsarchive.org/RelArtic/Marinelli/

    If Science got that ^ wrong and has done so for quite some time, it should humble us to consider what else we fools have rushed into…

  2. Science never was self-correcting in a short period of time. Some errors took a century to correct due to lack of needed information, wars that took people away (I read that the woman that explained that the atom had been split was hiding from the Germans since she was a Jew. Had she not hid, we might not know today even. A war will do that.) Impatience is not flattering…..

    Why get so hysterical over the abuse of science. We have millenia of abuse of humans for hundreds of other reasons. Are you sitting around having the vapors over all those too? Humans are nasty little creatures who murder, hate and are totally irrational most of the time. What book did you read that said rational was a human trait because it was written by an idiot, trust me.

    People are cancelled because they made a deal with the devil to host and monetize their sites. Maybe had they dealt with someone else……Everyone should have known Big Tech was the same as Satan. It was very clear from day one.

    Look, stupid, lazy parents gave their kids to the government that taught them to worship Experts. Blame the stupid, lazy parents and get over it. Nothing will change because, honestly, people do not care and cannot be made to care. They will use facebook, twitter, google and etc, give their unloved brats to the government, and keep their masters well-fed as long as they get their social media hit for day.

  3. Johnno,

    If Science got that ^ wrong

    That “if” is doing some pretty heavy lifting. We’ve known the heart is a pump since 1628. Looking at the other articles by Marinelli on that site, it appears that he also claims that Newton got gravity wrong. Sorry, but Marinelli isn’t smarter than Newton.

  4. We put out flags for Veterans Day at our local cemetery. It gave me a chance to ask them how business was. Booming… Basically running at twice the normal rate (30/month would make the owner exceedingly content, they are running close to 60, which makes bills even easier to pay).

    There are more COVID bodies coming through. But the number of younger people (those less than 60) dying of heart attacks and strokes is increasing. The rush of infants (they had 3 months of higher counts of infants dying) seems to have backed off, but the overall number of bodies seems to be increasing.

    I have not seen the survey of mortuaries in the news. A friend of mine insists that I am insane because if this were a real story, CNN would be all over it. CNN is about to evaporate for lack of viewers. Why would they ignore this obvious story that would blow up the world. He insists it would bring in BILLLIONS for CNN. This is a hard one. I agree with him. Why is this story not being discussed. The “Symptoms, signs, and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings, not elsewhere classified” column is having numbers pulled out of it. Is someone saving each version of this file. The changes are interesting… I have only been looking at that column lately.

    My local mortuary may just be stealing their neighbors business. 3 of the other local providers of services are Chains which may be driving people to the local provider.

  5. Well, of course, Briggs, this has been going on for some time. Of course, the blockheaded big tech companies are not going to tolerate criticism of the vexxines and global warming or some vague “climate change” crisis. These fascists have to postulate their imaginary demons like global warming and an exaggerated crisis and fear of coronavirus to push their “new world order” or authoritarian agendas. Quite self-evident by now for anyone that’s been paying attention and doing their own critical research and thinking.

    Best to just drain the big tech companies out of business and just use the new tech sites where free speech still exists.

  6. “…also claims that Newton got gravity wrong.”

    He actually kinda did. Sure, it was genius for its time, and his basic equations still hold up under certain circumstances, but in certain fundamental respects, Newton was in fact wrong in his basic understanding of how gravity works (he expressed concern himself about the theory of “action-at-a-distance” which his understanding of gravity required, but which he felt was fundamentally unsound philosophically without a causal agent to explain it. He hinted that it must be immaterial/spiritual; perhaps his intense interest in alchemy and occultism were partly a search for this causal agent, though Enlightenment Orthodoxy has swept the Alchemical Newton under the rug).

    Just wait ‘til Fishmonger hears that fundamental aspects of Einstein’s theories are fraying at the edges as well! (cue head exploding meme).

  7. That “if” is doing some pretty heavy lifting. We’ve known the heart is a pump since 1628. Looking at the other articles by Marinelli on that site, it appears that he also claims that Newton got gravity wrong. Sorry, but Marinelli isn’t smarter than Newton.

    I have very very bad news for you and your scientific religious zeal, swordy… Even the contemporary official experts and consensus knows that Newton wasn’t all he was cracked up to be, and are aware of anomalies of his theories about gravity.

    But wait until Swordy hears about many of Newton’s other side-interests, including the occult and alchemy! I’m guessing Marinelli is much much smarter than Newton on a variety of topics!

    But it gets even better, considering even Newton in an abandoned proposition from the Principia, was loathe to admit that his mechanics made the Catholic model of Geocentrism viable!

    But the real question is… does McSwordy have anything more to say on the topic other than “Look! 1628 or something!”

    You know… particularly with anything that bears a direct reference or refutation to the information presented at the link by Ralph Marinelli, or Branko Fuerst, or Hoyte van der Zee or Andrew McGinn or William Marinelli or James D. Stewart or Michael Duffy?

    Anything to comment on, fishy, regarding the circulation of blood in embryos when there is no heart present? I mean, I don’t really have a dog in this fight with regards to what the heart does or doesn’t do, but I imagine it would have some relevance to certain half-measure ‘pro-life’ laws based on heartbeat bills, don’t it?

    Besides which, as the article states, it’s not as if the heart plays no function in circulating blood, just that it may not be the main system that creates the action of pressure, but rather the entire body itself!

    Implicit in the notion of pressure propulsion in the cardiovascular system are the following four major concepts.

    (1) Blood is naturally inert and therefore must be forced to circulate.
    (2) There is a random mix of the formed particles in the blood.
    (3) The cells in the blood are under pressure at all times.
    (4) The blood is amorphous and is forced to fill its vessels and thereby takes on their form.

    However, there are observations that challenge these notions. It is seen that the blood has its own form, the vortex, which determines rather than conforms to the shape of the vascular lumen and circulates in the embryo with its own inherent biological momentum before the heart begins to function. Just as an inert vortex in nature pulses radially and longitudinally, we tentatively assume that blood is also free to pulse and is not subject to the pulse-restricting pressure implied in the pressure propulsion concept. The blood is not propelled by pressure but by its own biological momenta boosted by the heart.

    When the heart begins to function, it enhances the blood’s momentum with spiraling impulses. The arteries serve a subsidiary mimical heart function by providing spiraling boosts to the circulating blood. In so doing the arteries dilate to receive the incoming blood and contract to deliver an impulse to increase the blood’s momentum.

    Naturally, if true, this makes the human body far more complex that initially believed! Also, in a sense, even more wondrous…

    Movement without applied pressure is movement with momentum, as we observe so dramatically in the long leaps of racing cats. It is also manifest in nature in flowing water in open streams, traveling tornadoes, and jet streams which are actually horizontal spirals of air and moisture that can be thousands of miles long and move around like meandering rivers in the upper atmosphere. A thrown ball in its trajectory also moves without pressure.

    The pressure is an arithmetical ratio derived from the average force of the moving blood, and as such, indicates the phenomenon of the moving blood indirectly. In a momentum system the pressure is a potential while the object is in motion and becomes manifest when the velocity is impeded

    The blood moves with various velocities in its vortex streams. At the moment of impact of an object moving with momentum, the velocity decreases while the pressure of a certain magnitude appears.

    Rudolf Steiner, scientist and philosopher, pointed out on several occasions that the blood moves autonomously, and that the pressure is not the cause of blood flow but the result of it.

    There is a poetic elegance to this idea, where it is as if something is suddenly and wondrously set in motion (in this case the blood) and it flows throughout a little world in the womb much like the circulation of water throughout the Earth, and even more frightening, the system develops on this further and further as the child grows, even until a heart finally shows up and begins to beat, but as these authors argue, the beat is not the cause of the blood flow, but the result of pressures created by the flow of blood, and this is life running through the veins and animating the body’s network as a whole!

    Very, very cool and humbling!

  8. these authors argue, the beat is not the cause of the blood flow, but the result of pressures created by the flow of blood

    Yet strangely if the heart stops, say by clamping during electrocution, the flow stops. If the heartbeat is only a result of blood flow and not the cause gotta wonder what it’s for.

  9. The thrust from what I read is that yhe Heart is acting closer to a vacuum running on blood flow momentum, rather than a pump.

    My additional guess would be that the heartbeat exists as a useful indicator of health and your blood flow. It inevitably becomes a part of the system, and therefore if interrupted much like any artery, this would also disrupt the blood flow.

    Since God designed the human body, it makes sense that there’d be a conveniently large organ created for us to read and solve issues.

    I don’t know much about the intracacies of pressure systems, but this is what the article claims:

    It is our purpose to demonstrate that Borelli’s premise is incorrect and to propose the concept that the blood is propelled by a unique form of momentum. First, the aortic arch does not respond as expected if the blood in it were under pressure. The aorta is a curved tube; as such it has the basic form of the widely used pressure sensitive element of the Bourdon tube gage*.

    When the curved tube of the Bourdon gage is subject to positive pressure, it is forced to straighten out as one sees in a garden hose. When subject to a negative pressure, the tube’s curvature is increased. During the systolic ejection (period when blood is ejected from ventricle), the aorta’s curvature is seen to increase, signifying that the aorta is not undergoing a positive pressure, but rather is undergoing a negative pressure 4.

    We demonstrate that this negative pressure is that associated with the vacuum center of traveling vortices of blood. Thus the motion of the aorta, when considered as nature’s own pressure sensor, contradicts the pressure propulsion premise. Of course, the swirling streams of the vortex have potential pressure, so any attempt to measure pressure will result in a positive pressure reading due to interrupted momenta.

    In a movie made by Bremer of the beating embryonic heart, one observes that the spiraling blood is boosted by the pulsating heart without creating turbulence in the blood. This suggests that the momentum transfer occurring between the heart and blood is in phase; the heart must somehow sense the motion of the blood and respond to it in turn with a spiraling impulses at the same velocities as the blood, thereby combining blood and heart momenta.

    It is assumed that heart muscle layers have the same velocity distribution pattern as the concentric streams of a free vortex to enable heart and blood motions to couple in multi-velocity phase. It was significant to observe that the movement of the heart occurred with minimal inward motion of the heart wall. That the streaming of the blood can be observed before the functioning of the heart is supported by observations that the circulation in the early chick embryo is maintained for around 10 minutes after the heart had been excised 10. Moreover, the inherent mobility of the blood was highlighted by Pomerance and Davies 11, who found an embryo that lived to term without a heart but was born dead and grossly disfigured. Thus, the composite view of the embryonic cardiovascular system tells us that the blood is not propelled by pressure, but rather moves with its own biological momentum and with its own intrinsic flow pattern.

    Not only is the blood flow well maintained in the embryo before the formation of the valves; there are reports of adults in whom both infected tricuspid and pulmonary valves were surgically removed and not replaced by prosthetic valves, without significant problems 14. Werner et al. 15 using two dimensional echocardiography observed that the mitral and aortic valves were open during external chest compression and that cardiac chambers were passive and did not change in size.

    By measuring electrical conductivity at various locations in the left ventricle of a dog, Irisawa 16 was unable to show uniform mixing of saline. The conductivity records showed the swirling streams of blood of different concentrations of saline within the ventricles during systole and diastole (the dilation or expansion stage of the heart muscles that allows the heart cavities to fill with blood), further supporting the concept of the highly organized vortical patterns inside the chambers of the heart.

    Brecher 17 conducted an experiment on a dog that demonstrated a region of continuous negative pressure in the ventricle by observing the continuous flow of Ringer’s solution from a vessel outside the heart through a cannula positioned in the left ventricle via the atrial auricle. This further confirms our concept of the persistence of the vortex in the ventricle with its negative pressure center and positive pressure impulse potential in its swirling periphery throughout the cardiac cycle. Thus the heart as a minimum functional organ consists not only of its tissue but also of the perpetual vortex of blood which provides the perpetual vacuum in its center that probably helps to pull the blood back to the heart from capillaries and veins. The persistence of the vortex explains the anomaly to engineers of a supposed pump that retains 40 % of its charge with each ejection; a pump is expected to eject close to 100 % of its charge. As a pump concept it is absurd; as presented herein it is ingenious. Pettigrew 2 found three columns of spiraling blood in the left ventricle.

    What I find fascinating about this idea is that it sounds as if our blood circulatory system runs in a manner very similarily to a planetary system under perpetual motion! It has its own “gravity” and the heart is somewhat like the “Earth” in Geocentric cosmology, where it is not the cause of the inertia happening around it, but being centralized receives the effects of everything occurring around it.

    The body, like the universe is conceptually much like a perpetual machine set in motion.

    In contrast to the parabolic velocity profile assumed by small particle suspensions in rigid tubes of small diameter under pressure, the cellular elements in the blood arrange themselves in a flow pattern in vivo, such that the heavier red blood cells orbit nearest the center with lighter platelets in more distant orbits surrounded by a sleeve of plasma at the vessel wall. Such an ordered arrangement of blood particle configuration in a sectional view of the arteries denies an omnidirectional pressure propulsion mechanism and confirms the vortex/momenta premise.

    One can demonstrate this phenomenon of differentiation by mass in the vortex by allowing spheres chosen for convenience, same size (3 mm diameter), differently colored for different weight, to swirl freely in water. It will be seen that the heaviest spheres orbit nearest the center of rotation. The vortex orbital velocities increase as the orbits approach the center of rotation. On the contrary, during the time that a force couple is applied to rotate the vessel, creating a forced vortex, all of the spheres are forced out to the periphery where the velocities are the greatest as in a centrifuge.

    Very fascinating! I wonder if the electricity detected throughout the body is also a result of the movement of blood?

  10. My additional guess would be that the heartbeat exists as a useful indicator of health and your blood flow.

    I dunno. It seems strange that the heart would be merely an indicator of blood flow vs the cause. It’s present in all creatures that have blood distribution. Would they all really need such an indicator? Would they even care? It’s also odd that stopping the “indicator” results in death. My car wouldn’t stop if the speedometer failed.

    Not only is the blood flow well maintained in the embryo before the formation of the valves; there are reports of adults in whom both infected tricuspid and pulmonary valves were surgically removed and not replaced by prosthetic valves, without significant problems

    Yes it is remarkably resilient. A tribute to the way it’s built. You don’t really need valves if the heart beats in waves. They do increase efficiency though. If its beating is caused by blood flow pressures why do CABG procedures result in increased blood flow?

    the dilation or expansion stage of the heart muscles that allows the heart cavities to fill with blood

    It fills due to its expansion. The expansion doesn’t “allow” the heart to fill with blood — it causes it by creating a low pressure area. Just like your diaphragm causes you to inhale.

    Heart is acting closer to a vacuum running on blood flow momentum, rather than a pump.

    ??? By “vacuum” do you mean that device used in home cleaning to pick up dirt? You do realize that it is an air pump and operates by spinning an impeller and not through interaction with some externally caused air flow, yes?

  11. Johnno,

    I’m aware of the fact that Newton’s theory of gravitation produces inaccurate results in extreme situations, and that this was corrected by Einstein (not Marinelli), with his more accurate theory. I’m also aware that Newton was an alchemist, and a Christian, but I suppose no one’s perfect. It’s might also be true that Marinelli knows more than Newton in certain areas – I know more about J-Pop than Newton, Marinelli and Einstein put together, but I’m not sure what relevance that has to anything.

    Long story short: Mainstream science has got most things right, but for some reason, you prefer pseudoscience.

    Regarding the heart, Many years ago, I was lucky enough to witness part of an open heart surgery in an operating theatre. I even got to touch the patient, who was ice cold. The surgeon was chatting about Predator, which had been on TV the previous night. Anyway, while the patient’s heart was stopped, they relied on magical blood vortices to keep the blood flowing. I’m joking, they actually used an array of pumps.

    PS, if God designed the human body, why did it give men nipples?

  12. DAV

    Would they all really need such an indicator? Would they even care? It’s also odd that stopping the “indicator” results in death. My car wouldn’t stop if the speedometer failed.

    It’s my presumption assuming the Creator granting us a means of study. The link argues that the heart is a part of the entire system where the blood is flowing, so naturally upsetting the heart is the same as interrupting or damaging any of the other arteries. Naturally the heart is a more vulnerable spot.

    ??? By “vacuum” do you mean that device used in home cleaning to pick up dirt? You do realize that it is an air pump and operates by spinning an impeller and not through interaction with some externally caused air flow, yes?

    I was trying to refer it to how the link describes it. The blood is set in motion. The heart joins in the circulation, and the flow’s momentum creates a suction effect throughout the system, of which the heart is one part. But their prime argument is that the heart is not the prime organ that is pumping or moving the blood throughout the body’s system. It’s one of many. Arguably, even becoming a vital one I’d think. So you’re definitely better off with a heart than without one.

    So by “vacuum”, it seems the large area of the heart is a necessary space to maintain the blood’s momentum, and if I understand it correctly, it seems that the space in a large organ is needed which also expands and contracts. Conventional belief is that this is the heart pumping the blood. The argument here that the heart acts as a “vacuum” (in terms of open space and not like the cleaner) that has a large area for the blood to flow in and out of a large tube that produces another expansion and contraction effect that helps maintain momentum. Kind of akin to rising up a slope on skis, only to reach the top, and then plunge down again and accelerate more swiftly until you’re back around. That’s… how I’m understanding it.

    Swordfish

    but I’m not sure what relevance that has to anything.

    Then why did you bring Newton up at all? Tell us sweetheart.

    Mainstream science has got most things right, but for some reason, you prefer pseudoscience.

    This coming from the guy who believes that nothing produced rocks that flew through multiple dimensions, collided with other rocks, seeded magical living rocks on Earth, which magically became fish, that became monkeys, that became swordfish? Or do you not believe that? You never like to answer that question, do you?

    I am not wedded to the article’s claims, but you do realize that the majority of scientific development is made by scientists making proposals and challenging conventional beliefs that could either turn out to be right or wrong, right? That’s not pseudoscience, it’s how actual science is done and progresses.

    I’m joking, they actually used an array of pumps

    Well, of course they did. But did you read/understand the article?

    Hint: Title and subtitle. Read it slowly a few times over!

    Hint-hint: It doesn’t claim there is a complete absence of pressure and pumping/suction throughout the body.

    Spelling-it-out-for-you: The argument it is making is that the primary purpose of the heart is not as a pump. Blood circulation in living things is documented to exist before the presence of a heart. The movement of blood when set in motion through a complex system of curved ventricles creates suction and effects that maintain that motion. The heart, when eventually formed, joins a system that is already in place.

    Could they be right? I don’t know! But you sure seem to be taking this very personally!

    PS, if God designed the human body, why did it give men nipples?

    For the same reason little girls can be made from men’s sperm and features of both sexes are present in early embryos, until instructions set at fertilization picking a side are sent to it to fully form into a boy or girl or the unfortunate rare result of hermaphroditism. The code for making both sexes in inherent in us and thus some features remain even if only aesthetically visible.

    Also girls like them on us for some reason. So whatever helps in the procreative act is good enough for me.

  13. The heart joins in the circulation, and the flow’s momentum creates a suction effect throughout the system

    It takes energy to maintain this momentum. Every branch point in the system reduces it. Without constant energy input the flow would stop. The heart seems to be the only place where energy is added. I do note that an artificial heart is a pump.

    As for “suction” I think it doesn’t apply to liquids. In airflow it’s a description of how air moves from a high pressure area toward a lower one. Air pressure is caused by heat. Liquid pressure is caused mostly by application of a outside force: something pushing it. There is some thermally caused pressure but it is quite small. Mercury thermometers rely on thermal expansion and some have nearly complete vacuums in the read out tube but they only fill due to temperature changes. Sucking liquid through a straw can only happen when air pressure is applied at the surface outside the straw. You can’t suck a liquid from a sealed container.

  14. Johnno,

    This coming from the guy who believes that nothing produced rocks that flew through multiple dimensions, collided with other rocks, seeded magical living rocks on Earth, which magically became fish, that became monkeys, that became swordfish?

    This coming from a guy who believes that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. (As someone once quipped.)

    The short answer to your question: No, I don’t believe what you said.

    Regarding male nipples, your answer seemed to be based on naturalism and didn’t explain why God gave men nipples at all. Supplementary question: Did Adam have a bellybutton?

  15. Dav

    It takes energy to maintain this momentum. Every branch point in the system reduces it. Without constant energy input the flow would stop. The heart seems to be the only place where energy is added.

    Yes. Their proposal seems to believe that the way the blood is going is via vacuums in cells. The idea that nature abhors a vacuum and intends to fill it. So there are spaces throughout the system whereby empty and filled spaces empty and fill the next one in continuous momentum. An exchange of high and low pressures.

    They list the various experiments throughout history used for the pump-model of the heart and the presumptions behind them.

    That they (the pumps) work is not the issue. The observation could hold but the underlying causes and mechanisms misunderstood. Much like how Newton’s equations match up to observation of gravity at work, but Newton doesn’t know how gravity works.

    Swordfish

    This coming from a guy who believes that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. (As someone once quipped.)

    Zombied don’t exist. But for everything else, yes, I believe that.

    The short answer to your question: No, I don’t believe what you said.

    So then what do you believe? Tell us your religion. Which branch of THE SCIENCE ™ are you a disciple of?

    Regarding male nipples, your answer seemed to be based on naturalism and didn’t explain why God gave men nipples at all.

    So you don’t like naturalistic answers now? Why can’t God use natural economic reproductive design with aesthetic artifacts?

    Supplementary question: Did Adam have a bellybutton?

    There was no need, but what if God liked giving him one? And who knows if he had nipples either? Considering the special nature of Adam’s creation and bring a full adult from Day 6, I imagine there could be a multitude of differences from his offspring. Shall I expect a further inquiry from you as to why God requires hair down there either?

  16. The idea that nature abhors a vacuum and intends to fill it.

    I guess you missed the part about some thermometers containing a vacuum. The vacuum doesn’t draw the mercury into the tube. If it did, the tube would always be filled. The vacuum lets the mercury reading to remain since there is nothing to push it back into the bulb. These thermometers have to be shaken before between readings.

    Thinking in terms of vacuums operating on something can be quite misleading. Vacuums (the absence of something) don’t cause anything. Better to think in terms of what’s doing the pushing. Something has to push the liquid for it to move. Liquids are sucked into a straw because of external air pressure and not because the liquid of itself tends to fill a low pressure area. Even then, the air is being pushed by the action of the heat it contains. There is no air in circulatory systems under normal circumstances. It’s all hydraulic pressure coming from a pump.

  17. swordfishtrombone,

    I suspect that you don’t even realize that at least 90% of human culture is completely over your head. I’m sorry, dude.

  18. DAV,

    The thermometer is not a good example any more than a half filled bottle of water.

    Thermometers are partial vacuums. Usually contain nitrogen, or is calibrated to regular Earth atmospheric pressure and the application of heat makes the mercury rise.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury-in-glass_thermometer

    They mean some unique vaccums in the sense of exchanges between high and low pressure areas that they theorize are being created in the cells and throughout the circulatory system in such a way that the blood would flow. So this is a system specifically designed to facilitate this process, similar in a sense to the vacuum of space where opening and closing a door or vents creates suction in succession between a highly pressurized state and another that is less or empty.

    How this could be is the question, and I imagine there would be all sorts of complications such as why such a vacuum would only draw blood but nothing else. Perhaps it is just the blood in a uniquely pressurized state, the facilitated by gaps?

    But we do know that blood circulation occurs prior to the presense of a heart. What is making it circulate or what is acting as a pump? Or is a pump necessitated after the body reaches a certain stage and mass and it supplements the prior system? Considering that alone, there is a lot still to be solved and learned.

  19. philemon,

    (What you said)

    You should try coming up with an argument every now and then. It’s fun!

  20. Johnno,

    The thrust from what I read is that yhe Heart is acting closer to a vacuum running on blood flow momentum, rather than a pump.

    I read that wind turbines are really big fans with motors in them. They should turn ’em all off, then it’d be less windy.

    Since God designed the human body, it makes sense that there’d be a conveniently large organ created for us to read and solve issues.

    It would make more sense if God designed the human body such that it didn’t have any issues, wouldn’t it?

    The body, like the universe is conceptually much like a perpetual machine set in motion.

    This reminds me of Swiss Toni, from the Fast Show.

    But we do know that blood circulation occurs prior to the presense of a heart.

    I don’t think we do know that.

  21. I read that wind turbines are really big fans with motors in them. They should turn ’em all off, then it’d be less windy.

    The birds, and everyone freezing to death from the lack of energy they provide will certainly be grateful.

    It would make more sense if God designed the human body such that it didn’t have any issues, wouldn’t it?

    He did! Guess what happened next!

    I don’t think we do know that.

    We actually do. How are heartless embryos living and growing? Magic? Given you really don’t know much about past or contemporary science you sure do like to attempting to criticize a lot, don’t you? Are Internet Commenting Sports really that important to you?

  22. I’m sorry if you don’t recognize the argument, swordfishtrombone. Here it is as a syllogism:

    At least 90% of human culture requires a mythological understanding.
    swordfishtrombone doesn’t have a mythological understanding..
    Therefore, swordfishtrombone is incapable of understanding at least 90% of human culture.

  23. philemon,

    You should tell Johnno that it’s mostly mythology, as he seems to think it’s all literally true.

  24. Johnno,

    He did! Guess what happened next!

    He didn’t! But for the sake of argument, isn’t the ability to choose incorrectly an issue? It doesn’t make sense to claim that something is free from issues but makes incorrect choices.

    How are heartless embryos living and growing?

    An embryo starts off as only one cell. It clearly doesn’t need a heart at that very early stage. You might as well ask how bacteria can live and grow without a heart. As it is, the heart starts beating at only 21 days in.

    Given you really don’t know much about past or contemporary science you sure do like to attempting to criticize a lot, don’t you?

    This, from a young earth creationist who rejects almost all science? Take a hike, pal.

  25. He didn’t!

    He did! Guess what happened next!

    But for the sake of argument, isn’t the ability to choose incorrectly an issue? It doesn’t make sense to claim that something is free from issues but makes incorrect choices.

    What? Sorry I don’t understand what you are saying here. What about the body or the heart is making “incorrect choices”? Do you mean to ask, why does the body not function correctly after the Fall and the ability to decay and die came into effect as a result of man’s choice?

    An embryo starts off as only one cell. It clearly doesn’t need a heart at that very early stage. You might as well ask how bacteria can live and grow without a heart. As it is, the heart starts beating at only 21 days in.

    So how is the blood circulating as it grows until the heart inevitably shows up? How is it moving? Where’s the pump?

    This, from a young earth creationist who rejects almost all science? Take a hike, pal.

    So what do you believe about origins, fishy-man? We’ve asked you multiple times now. So tell us! Because the story I summarized for you above of other-dimensions and panspermia, is one of the popular mainstream consensus views, and development of life out of rocks is the naturalistic consensus view, and you told us that you don’t believe in it! So if you’re not going to swim like a fish is supposed to, then get out of the water and flop around until you grow legs, then come back and discuss.

  26. You should tell Johnno that it’s mostly mythology, as he seems to think it’s all literally true.

    C’mon fishy! Tell us your 100%-not-at-all-mythological account about origins! We’re begging you!

  27. I’m loving that I’ve just skimmed d a few comments without reading the article!
    I’ll do better tomorrow but just have to say
    Heart muscle has its own inherent rhythmicity.
    Place heart muscle in a test tube in the right solution and it will contact and relax.
    That ought to be enough for those with an imagination to do the rest of the “maths’

    Modulation of the heart is much further up the chain of function.
    The ‘beat’ is nothing more than the pulse palpated on the surface. whether that is done at the “apex beat” below the left nipple in a man or in the fifth rib interspace , or anywhere else in the body that the pulse can be felt near to the surface.
    Yet again, nothing to see here pretending to find controversy in what is not controversial

  28. swordfishtrombone: “You should tell Johnno that it’s mostly mythology, as he seems to think it’s all literally true.” I don’t think he does think that.

    Johnno: “C’mon fishy! Tell us your 100%-not-at-all-mythological account about origins! We’re begging you!”

    He ain’t got one. QED.

  29. Johnno,

    The thermometer is not a good example any more than a half filled bottle of water. Thermometers are partial vacuums. … They mean some unique [vacuums] in the sense of exchanges between high and low pressure areas that they theorize are being created in the cells and throughout the circulatory system in such a way that the blood would flow.

    If the thermometer example I gave doesn’t apply because of “partial vacuum” then “exchanges between high and low pressure areas” don’t apply either. Do you know what “partial vacuum” means?

    FWIW: you are losing the argument with Swordfish.

    Joy,

    Heart muscle has its own inherent rhythmicity.
    Place heart muscle in a test tube in the right solution and it will contact and relax.
    That ought to be enough for those with an imagination to do the rest of the “maths’

    Should be but I’m not betting on it.

  30. philemon,

    I don’t think he [Johnno] does think that [the Bible is literally true]

    He’s a young-earth creationist, so I’m pretty sure he does. Why don’t you ask him, given that he loves questions?

    He ain’t got one. QED.

    QED nothing. Even if I didn’t have any explanation for anything, that wouldn’t mean your explanation is true. If I don’t know how lightning works, that doesn’t mean Thor did it. Argument from ignorance fallacy.

  31. DAV,

    FWIW: you are losing the argument with Swordfish.

    Cheers! You’re winning the argument against Bob Kurland on that other thread. Nice to see a familiar name on here.

  32. Johnno,

    C’mon fishy! Tell us your 100%-not-at-all-mythological account about origins!

    Something like:

    Big bang.
    Radiation.
    Atoms.
    Molecules.
    Stars, planets & black holes.
    Supernovas.
    Heavy elements.
    Organic molecules.
    RNA.
    RNA self-replicator.
    DNA.
    Single-celled life.
    Multicellular life.
    Land-based plants and animals.
    Us.

  33. “ Something like:

    Big bang…”

    No need to go any further. The standard Big Bang model has been untenable since it was shown the the CMB aligns with the ecliptic and isn’t uniform throughout the universe, but no surprise Fishmonger resorts to that midwit’s account of the origins of the universe (nor is it a surprise that he seems to think the Big Bang just created itself! There was just a Big Bang from out of nowhere and something came from nothing!).

  34. Briggs:

    You have heard the slogan “Science is self correcting.” Ignoring the question of its veracity, or whether the slogan applies to other fields of intellectual endeavor (such as politics), and focus on how it must necessarily be true that any proposition in need of correction is false.

    It strikes me that Briggs you are simply looking too closely when it comes to the truth in its proper sense. *no relative truth implied.
    In short, you’re impatient!
    Regarding covid, I don’t think you HAVE argued the science very much. What has happened is Twitter has taken over in people’s lives and social media in general. I’ve yet not heard you argue directly about elements of the science which are presented by our own scientists. Just argument down the chain of information or debate with a whole load of politics rolled in.
    Why not take more control of the debate by responding directly to (in case of the UK), the experts who you claim are so terribly wrong. This is not done by criticising their characters. Fun as that might be, it convinces those who already agree.

    Today, apparently, (missed all but news headline) Chris Whitty reported that the women who are seriously ill in hospital who are pregnant are ninety-nine percent unvaccinated. He explains there have also been deaths. He also said that these are preventable. *inferred by the fact that ninety-eight percent are not vaccinated.
    .
    Having said all of that I don’t blame your criticising cancelling of individuals for questioning or daring to go against mainstream opinion on any topic.
    Yet science clearly does self correct. It just takes too long for many. I have found a more philosophical approach is helpful because the truth can’t be defeated, ultimately. I take heart from that.

    Trouble is, it might switch off your engine and you’d have to find some other thing to motivate you to write daily and weekly with such unyielding routine.

  35. Meanwhile, the article is deliberately hijacked to introduce a perceived ‘new’ idea regarding formation of the heart in embryos.
    Partial pressure/tissue pressure gradients, and chemical/protein pumps that establish or maintain pressure gradients, operate and exist all over the organic world. Nothing controversial there.
    Hearts work harder, the larger the organism, seems obvious but it’s being forgotten in the embryo example. The grown of the heart muscle occurs where it is worked harder. As with most ‘trophic’ mechanisms in organic. There is feedback in organic systems which govern that growth.
    Blood does indeed have a passive role but within each cell of the blood there are also such pumps and pressure gradients maintaining and establishing oxygen binding. There are physical systems which assist venous return and there are multiple factors all involved in contributing to circulation. The heart is the main driver to all properly formed limbs, i.e. when you’re no longer a. patch of cells that can rely on the local flow from the mother, so the heart muscle develops and those aforementioned gradients produce the required environment for the heart to pump. Where precisely are people seeing the mystery?
    Take a look at more simple organisms which do not have well formed heart but still have a circulatory system.
    I see no link with the article and claims of controversy or ‘ministry of truth’
    The same individual believed the false article claiming that masks cause dementia and cancer, among other agues.
    I just think people are confusing the concept of excitatory tissue with simple chemical gradients or physical/mechanical effects. Excitable tissue such as nerve or muscle have the nature of magic about the but they are also governed by chemistry in a circular fashion that is self sustaining or perpetuating until death.

  36. Joy: “Well, the reason (it) is normally brown is because of the bilirubin excreted and unwanted by the liver. Bile goes the same way and is also used to emulsify fat on its way along the intestines. The appearance of the green is something to do with the liver function of the baby. Haemoglobin also changes at birth so their is breakdown of the kind of blood needed by the baby prior to and after birth.

    “Like an oil change! It’s the same kind of reason why babies eyes turn from blue/violet to boring colours after a time. Toxins deposited in the iris.”

    Maybe some context would help:

    https://youtu.be/c91XUyg9iWM

    Yep, that’s Joy’s understanding of genetics.

    So, Joy, you ignorant slut.

  37. bilirubin, a brownish yellow pigment of bile, secreted by the liver in vertebrates, which gives to solid waste products (feces) their characteristic colour. It is produced in bone marrow cells and in the liver as the end product of red-blood-cell (hemoglobin) breakdown.
    There’s, simple language, one would hope.

    ~~(it) refers to faeces in the previous comment quoted by Philemon
     
    Babies undergo some complete changes in haemoglobin after they are born and this is the reason, along with the fact that they have minimal (except those bi-products of blood synthesis and breakdown) to digest after birth, they have a discolouration to the faeces which is perfectly normal, and is famous around the world as a descriptively ugly colour, which was the point of the mention of the colour in the first place! See venn diagram-me comment, splitting the populous into the vexed and the untaxed.
     
    The eye colour discussion came in when I added the fact that babies eyes change colour due to pigmentation with melanin which is also iron based.

    Then, the contested fact that blue, or violet eyes are not actually made of a blue or violet pigment, but that the refraction of the light makes them look a certain hue. This is why people report that their eye colour changes in different light. I made the comparison with the blue butterfly.
     
    Recessive, double receive and all the rest with regards to eye colour is further back in the chain of mammalian development.
    You seem to think that genetics works like a machine dolling out pigment or something. Ultimately, genetics governs most things but of course environment does have an effect on physiology. For example height, being affected by nutrition and activity effecting strength. Eye colour takes effect after birth in all cases, even where eyes are very dark. It isn’t even a particularly interesting or novel topic.
     
    The other objection was to use of the word ‘toxin’ to describe iron based proteins found in the waste material. Iron is a toxin as a heavy metal standing alone, strictly speaking. With regards to the sense in which we are discussing the matter, Iron is lost through digestion, through the skin’s surface from normal exfoliation, from hair loss, and is also replaced. Thee are other metals in the human body along with other elements from the periodic table! The horror! This is not hard to understand but it is all true.
    Bilirubin is useful, however even as a waste product where it is the main component of bile and aids digestion of fat or lipids,…that substance which new borns haven’t experienced yet and another reason why the colouration of the bile in the faeces is more apparent.

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