If You Disagree You Are Full Of Hate, You Bigot

You shouldn't eat salt, either.
You shouldn’t eat salt, either.

I knew she meant the cigar, but I pretended not to hear.

“What you’re doing is wrong,” she repeated.

“Oh, it’s not so bad,” I said. I was sitting on a raised planter on a street corner in San Francisco, the home of Tolerance.

“Smoking is bad for you!”

“You gotta die of something, lady. And this isn’t a bad way to go.” Cars streamed by, dumping their noxious fumes into the air. I thought of this because I was going to tell her that my cigar was comparatively harmless and that if she knew what was good for her, she would never go outside.

But she said, “Well you can choose to die of something else.”

And then I said, “But I enjoy it.” She looked startled. Some internal war played across her face. I puffed. She said, “Well.” I said, “You have a nice day.” She walked on.

I had hit upon, quite by accident, The Argument, the one method of persuasion that has no counter, that works like garlic on vampires. If you enjoy it, it must be good. Not just as in it feels good, but that it is morally good because it feels good.

The only possible rebuttal to a modern is that which you are doing does not feel good to them. This, incidentally, is what led these intrepid moralists to invent “second-” and “third-hand smoking” and to weep about how they suffer from it.

Since I am a gentleman, I was resisted telling the old lady to mind her own business. It’s not as if I were walking up to strangers and puffing into their faces, baiting them. You better say you like smoking or I’m going to call you a bigot.

The Mind-Your-Own-Business used to play strong. You did what you wanted, I did what I wanted, and with the usual provisos and within well known boundaries, as long we both kept to ourselves, we could still get along. We could even be friends.

But this idea is now dead. To modern moralists, everything is their business. And nothing makes them happier than telling people what to do.

Disagreement is not and cannot be tolerated. Disagreement makes the modern moralist feel bad about himself, and there is no worse sin than making somebody feel bad. If a person disagrees with a modern moralist, the only explanation the modern moralist can imagine is that this person is full of hate, that he is a raving bigot, or that he is insane.

For instance, Supreme (the word now has to be used ironically) Court Judge Anthony Kennedy famously wove into the fabric of American law that the only possible reason a person could have against so-called same-sex marriage was animus. What about millennia of tradition, natural law, commonsense, logic, biology, science, religion? No. It must be hate. And hate is intolerable.

Earlier this week we talked about Laverne Cox, a man pretending to be a woman, part of a growing brigade of such people. Most of us really don’t care what Cox does. All we want is to be left in peace. But there is no live and let live anymore. No leave me alone and we’ll leave you alone. No: for the modern moralist, it is all or nothing. You must not only enter into Cox’s deception, but you must approve of it.

Kevin Williamson didn’t. He wrote a syndicated column saying what we said: Cox is a man, despite his fancy dress and lipstick. Reaction was interesting.

The bulk of the moralists pretended outrage. They calumniated Williams, as was their duty, but these people would do the same were Cox to pretend he was a duck “trapped” in a man’s body, as long as that was what they thought they ought to be for. Don’t scoff. All that’s needed is some quack to invent a theory which catches the imagination and soon people will be walking around in feather suits daring you to laugh.

A few people were genuinely incensed. They believed Cox was a “woman”, and were damned if they would let anybody publicly disagree. Williams must be punished, these people said. He must be fired. Williams was “full of hate” and a “transphobe.”

Remember that Colorado bakery who refused to bake a cake for a homosexual couple? So-called same-sex marriage is illegal in Colorado, incidentally. No matter. The government said the man must still bake the cake in spite of his religious beliefs. And that he must undergo “sensitivity training”, which is the current euphemism for Reeducation Camp.

There is only one correct belief and all shall be forced under duress to state it. This is what is known as Freedom and Tolerance and Love.

Update Haters going to hate.



  1. Sheri

    They’re already walking around in fur suits-http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2001/03/furries200103
    It’s “pretend” for now, but who knows?

    The major point I believe is that you must AGREE with these people. You cannot possess a moral code that would say anything is wrong that they did not approve of. Of course, they approve of almost anything except disapproving unless it’s they who are doing the disagreeing. So agreeing to disagree is not possible because you can’t disagree unless it’s with disagreeing. They refuse to acknowledge just how rediculous this whole argument is and more and more people seem to buy into it. You can’t disagree unless “they” say you can disagree but disagreeing is bad and wrong unless they disagree. Say that 20 times really fast.

    It’s all a very childish way of holding their breath and turning blue until they get their way. Sadly, like the typical reaction to a toddler holding their breath, society gives in and says “okay”. Then society complains about the “unintended consequences” like people running amok and killing others because someone disagreed with them or they didn’t get their way. It’s a recipe for destroying society and they’re really proud of themselves for engaging in the behaviour. Too bad they don’t really like or care about people. Just themselves…….

  2. Brandon Gates


    Here in the Socialist Republic of Berkeley, my cigarette smoking does not go over well. In fact, in designated commercial zones it’s a fineable offence. I’ve not gotten a ticket, but a meter maid warned me about it before I was aware of the law. Annoying, yes; and darn near oppressive when I’m out and about and dying for a drag. There aren’t many back alleys like Manhattan either; though no one ever gave me a second glance while I strolled up 3rd Ave. to work, puffing away merrily. I’d like to not get cancer and not annoy people, but I like smoking so damn much.

    Re: Colorado bakery. Used to be “We reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE” was the law of the land. Or at least the de facto law. Whether or not SSM is on the books in the state seems irrelevant. I don’t see getting a wedding cake as an essential service. This is a grey area for me, but I don’t think the baker should be forced to make the cake.

    I get it that it needles you, and frankly I don’t like it at all either. It is an anecdotal story however. It’s hard for me to gauge how widespread the liberal thought police have actually metastasised vs. the noise some conservatives are making about it. And that bothers me even more … I don’t like not knowing.

    I read Williamson’s column after the Sun-Times took it down; found it on the wayback machine. It wasn’t very nice, but it wasn’t hate. Thing to keep in mind is that most of the hate out there doesn’t get published. When the liberal harpies who aren’t direct targets of it start lobbying for getting people fired, that’s where I direct my own ire. Cheers.

  3. Nate

    From “South Park”, back in season 6 (2002).
    ‘Tolerant, but not stupid! Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesn’t mean you have to approve of it! If you had to like it, it’d be called the Museum of Acceptance! “Tolerate” means you’re just putting up with it! You tolerate a crying child sitting next to you on the airplane or, or you tolerate a bad cold. It can still piss you off! ‘

    – Note that the ideological left no longer uses the word “tolerance” anymore – they have moved on to demanding acceptance.

  4. Brandon Gates


    As a liberal in ideology but without a party who’d have me even if I wanted it, I laughed my head of at that episode. It’s worth nothing Parker (or was it Stone?) is on record as saying “I hate conservatives, but I really effing hate liberals.”

  5. Sheri

    Scotian: I don’t think there’s any penance involved in the fur suit.

  6. There will always be uptight, proselytizing, nosy people. They’re can be of any political, religious, cultural persuasion. They usually occupy the extremes of whatever their interested in. They are often the protesters, the activists, the organizers, etc.

    To say liberals have a corner on uptight, proselytizing, nosy people is just stupid. You’d have to have been born yesterday in San Francisco.


  7. Brandon Gates


    I see some conservative commentary out in the wild acting like liberal activism is something new. The first rally cry I remember is “liberal media”. Then “liberal academia”. And now “liberal elite”. One liberal wag spoke my thoughts most eloquently, “Maybe reality has a liberal bias.”

    Having grown up in a bastion of conservative thought in the Midwest, I confess that I oft take some pleasure seeing elements of the right squirming uncomfortably. Schadenfreude, like smoking cancer sticks, is one of life’s all but irresistible guilty pleasures. Experience tells me that it also knows no ideological boundaries.

    Ignored history tends to repeat itself. Lotsa’ people out there who need to wake up.

  8. Sheri

    Brandon: One of the prime examples of conservatives jumping on a “cause” without any real thought was the Cliven Bundy mess in Nevada. I repeatedly posted on blogs that backing a lawbreaker is really hypocritical considering the same people were blasting Obama for lawbreaking. I was appalled at how many so-called law and order conservatives were falling all over themselves to tell us how wonderful Cliven, the lawbreaker, was. It fit with their belief that the goverment had too much power so they championed said individual. You are correct, liberals don’t have a monopoly on this kind of behaviour. Conservatives/republicans can say one thing and then do another with the best of them. That in and of itself is a bit depressing.

  9. mpcraig

    RE: Smoking….Our city chief of health (and it’s Ottawa so it’s a million people) was recently advocating banning outdoor smoking on city property like parks. He cited peer-reviewed science which shows outdoor smoking can be as harmful as indoor second hand smoke.

    I decided to track down this study. The study said the conditions outdoors can approach average indoor conditions when the subject was within three feet and downwind.

    So our chief of health gave the truth but certainly not the whole truth. Can you believe that crap? These are the kind of people that we this is pointed out they simply come back with “but smoking is bad”. It’s like facts and accuracy don’t matter because the crusade is too important for those impediments.

  10. Briggs


    I know of a magician who carries a fake cigar (painted wood) that looks like its lit. It’s always women who come over snorting and pre-angry and insist he put it out. When he shows them it’s fake, they remain angry.

  11. Briggs


    A coincidence.

    “Last night, someone sent me an email threatening to murder me because they disagree with my opinions.”


    The ‘you’re hatefu’’ schtick really kicked into overdrive the past couple of days, after I published that post explaining why I don’t think a six-year-old girl should be told she’s a boy. When I wrote it, I felt driven by concern for both the child and the truth, but it’s once again been explained to me that, no, I was actually motivated by hatred.

  12. Scotian

    Gates says, “One liberal wag spoke my thoughts most eloquently, “Maybe reality has a liberal bias.””

    Remember that conservative is the new liberal and that liberal is the new progressive or socialist. Of course you may not have noticed since the term liberal was high jacked before you were born. So what kind of liberal are you, new liberal, classical liberal (i.e libertarian), or something else ?

    Also “Having grown up in a bastion of conservative thought in the Midwest, I confess that I oft take some pleasure seeing elements of the right squirming uncomfortably.” Is conservative and right wing the same thing? Isn’t right wing simply what the left calls the opposition and thus has no other meaning? That was simply the origin of the term. Why would you want to see others squirm uncomfortably? Isn’t this just adolescent rebellion and thus something to grow out of?

  13. Brandon Gates

    Sheri: Coupla’ weeks ago I severely thrashed the arguments made by an atheist liberal attack-dog’s over the Cliven Bundy debacle. A religious conservative was arguing for Bundy in an unfailingly polite manner and made more than a few reasonable points. The liberal’s counter-attack was nasty and personal. It also undermined freedom of speech, and ignored the long liberal tradition of sometimes looking the other way when oppressed minorities break laws in protest, sometimes in violent fashion.

    In short, I oft do police my own side, to the extent that I have one; harshly if necessary. I try not to police my opposites. I don’t always succeed at either.

    What’s your take on Ollie North’s recent Obama-slamming re: the Bergdahl fracas? I’m quite enjoying the irony myself. Lots of popcorn eaten watching that one unfold. 🙂

  14. Smoking is bad for you. But it’s legal, it’s been around a long, long time. It’s a cultural thing. Sin tax it, ban it in public places where people are forced to breathe it. Complain about it. Whatever. This is one of those things the culture will have to work out. Trade, monetary policy, foreign policy, the police and military states, healthcare and education – these are the the pressing matters for the polity these days.


  15. Brandon Gates

    Briggs, here’s me confessing oft succumbing to rage and hate. My fury is stoked even more when I forget I’m not a mind-reader and I judge them for not copping to it. At least an allowance for the possibility goes a long way with me, but alas, even that seems rare.

    I postulate that the Interwebz are skewed toward the angry outspoken, giving undue emphasis to the tails of the curve at the expense of the softer-speaking fat part.

  16. Brandon Gates


    These are the kind of people that we this is pointed out they simply come back with “but smoking is bad”. It’s like facts and accuracy don’t matter because the crusade is too important for those impediments.

    At the policy level, the health issues are the best leverage. That empirical observations are selectively presented is odious, but that’s also just the nature of politics.

    While I do gripe at the the perceived stigma against smokers such as myself, I don’t like to whine about it. Truth is, in everyday life in the real world, I accept that just the smell of smoke bothers non-smokers — I didn’t smoke until my 30s.

    As a smoker, I applauded legislation against indoor public smoking. The outdoor smoking policies are getting a quite out of hand for my tastes. If we have to legislate common decency, it indicates that something is deeply wrong with common decency. Laws don’t fix discourtesy, same as they don’t fix stupid. Education and gentle exhortation work much better.

  17. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your duck reductio ad absurdum (re-duck-tio ad absurdum?) is real: they’re called otherkin. It’s only a matter of time before you’ll be condemned as a hateful bigot for not embracing, nay celebrating, their alternative zoological lifestyles.

  18. Ye Olde Statisician

    these people would do the same were Cox to pretend he was a duck “trapped” in a man’s body…. All that’s needed is some quack to invent a theory

    Nicely played, sir.

    To say liberals have a corner on uptight, proselytizing, nosy people is just stupid.

    How fortunate then that Briggs said no such thing.

  19. Brandon Gates


    To say liberals have a corner on uptight, proselytizing, nosy people is just stupid.

    How fortunate then that Briggs said no such thing.

    I see little calling out of similar misbehaviours on the other end of the spectrum. Is my observation inaccurate?

    Whether such a “spectrum” actually exists is a different issue, and good one for all to consider.

  20. Brandon Gates


    Remember that conservative is the new liberal and that liberal is the new progressive or socialist. Of course you may not have noticed since the term liberal was high jacked before you were born. So what kind of liberal are you, new liberal, classical liberal (i.e libertarian), or something else?

    I’m aware of the history of terminolgy changes, though not in depth. It’s not as relevant to me as the actual history of events. And I loathe labels, especially when their defintions do drift and/or completely flip-flop. So prepare for my not infrequent verbosity:

    I’m a social liberal in a libertarian sort of sense, but not tending toward the anarchy spectrum of libertarianism. Basically, I’m willing to leave others to their own so long as they extend me the same courtesy.

    When any individual or group violates that principle, I judge it wrong. Doesn’t matter whose ideology it is. Liberty is liberty and must be defended, and gummint is a necessary last line of defence; though absolutely not my preferred one.

    My economics lean toward the saltwater school, but I mix in some fresh water depending on the issue. For instance, I would put the able-bodied unemployed to work and/or retraining in lieu of just mailing a check. Bank and auto industry bailouts didn’t upset me, but neither did the stimulus. I was for the public healthcare option alongside continuation of private insurance, Obamacare stinks without it. I’d prefer nukes to carbon taxes. Etc.

    My views on foreign policy would upset pretty much everyone because I think most everyone’s views on it suck.

    Is conservative and right wing the same thing?

    Couldn’t say, don’t really care.

    Isn’t right wing simply what the left calls the opposition and thus has no other meaning?

    And likely vice-versa. See again the arbitrary nature of labels; extend to stereotyping opposing groups instead of focusing on specific issues.

    That was simply the origin of the term. Why would you want to see others squirm uncomfortably?

    Schadenfreude, but with the additional satisfaction of people reaping that which they have sown. Actually, not at all that I enjoy seeing accidental misfortune befalling others. Perhaps I need a better $3 word here.

    Isn’t this just adolescent rebellion and thus something to grow out of?

    For me it borders on revenge. And yes, I need to grow out of it. I’ve come far enough in the past few years to logically recognize that the hard left is not discernably better behaved than the right. My emotions are far from having caught up.

    [note: possible duplicate post]

  21. Scotian

    Gates, “I’m a social liberal in a libertarian sort of sense”. A contradiction in terms. The expression social liberal was the historical path by which liberalism was turned into its polar opposite, the point where we are today.

    “Couldn’t say, don’t really care.” This is confusing since you equated them in a previous post.

    “And likely vice-versa”. No, since the terms left and right are an invention of the left, the soviets actually, for the purpose that I stated.

    “So prepare for my not infrequent verbosity”. So I’ve noticed. Long comments tend to go unread, at least by me.

  22. Ye Olde Statisician

    FYI: left- and right-wing originated in the parliament of the French First Republic: the republicans sat on the left side benches and the monarchists sat on the right. As the Revolution moved to greater extremes — turning churches into Temples of Reason, guillotining parents for baptizing their children — those who adhered to republican ideals became the new right wing. And so it has gone since.

    Both parties in the US are left wing, since both are republican as far as it goes: they are left-liberals and right-liberals. Europe meanwhile invented left socialism (international socialism) and right socialism (national socialism) and the whole continent jumped in the handbasket.

    For a two-dimensional take on the whole thing, there is Pournelle’s analysis:
    which I once saw modeled as a Thomian “pleat” catastrophe surface. The state space was an equilibrium manifold over the two dimensional parameter space, which looks like this:
    and is described here:

  23. Brandon Gates

    Couldn’t say, don’t really care.

    This is confusing since you equated them in a previous post.

    No doubt I was using it for sake of brevity against my better judgement.

    Long comments tend to go unread, at least by me.

    You asked, I answered. I don’t enjoy the feeling of being in a double-bind. I really dislike when reasonable discussions get side-tracked by crap semantic wriggling, so here’s the deal: you define terms and I’ll use them.

  24. Scotian

    This all reminds me of Richard Feynman’s invention of his own mathematical symbols in his youth. The punch line was, from Surely You’re Joking:

    “I thought my symbols were just as good, if not better, than the regular symbols–it doesn’t make any difference what symbols you use–but I discovered later that it does make a difference. Once when I was explaining something to another kid in high school, without thinking I started to make these symbols, and he said, “What the hell are those?” I realized then that if I’m going to talk to anybody else, I’ll have to use the standard symbols, so I eventually gave up my own symbols.”

  25. Brandon Gates

    Scotian, PS:

    No, since the terms left and right are an invention of the left, the soviets actually, for the purpose that I stated.

    And it seems that you have adopted them: “invention of the left.”

    Relevance to the topic at hand?

  26. Brandon Gates


    This all reminds me of Richard Feynman’s invention of his own mathematical symbols in his youth. The punch line was, from Surely You’re Joking:

    Which I just read for the first time two months ago. I remember that passage in particular, so no doubt it reminded you of the same. Overall a fine book, pun intended.

  27. Brandon Gates

    Screwed up the blockquote tag above. Re-request definition of acceptable use of left, right, liberal, conservative so I can use them with you for brevity. 🙂

  28. Scotian

    Best to avoid those terms entirely.

  29. Sheri

    Brandon: Sorry, no take on Ollie North/Bergdahl. Probably give me a migraine.

  30. Brandon Gates

    Scotian, I don’t entirely disagree. Labels are a convenient shorthand. How they’re used is where it gets trixy. So, “not using them entirely” is problematic for me. Such is the sort of “political correctness” that I personally despise.

  31. Brandon Gates

    Sheri, only reason I track it is for the political theatre. Ollie going on tee vee and slamming the Obama administration for paying a ransom to terrorists for a US citizen and ex-soldier was the supreme irony of it all for me. Other than that, I really don’t care or even want to know the details. We have bigger issues, and frankly the distraction over such minutiae is annoying.

  32. Brandon Gates


    FYI: left- and right-wing originated in the parliament of the French First Republic: the republicans sat on the left side benches and the monarchists sat on the right.

    Which contradicts what scotian wrote about those terms originating from the “left” by the Soviets. Not said, but implied: “communists”. And then he said to me, “Best to avoid those terms entirely,” referring to left, right, liberal, conservative.

    Aside from historical interest, which is fascinating by the way, what’s the actual relevance to what those terms mean today, if anything? What I don’t like are tangential diversions from interesting topics into arbitrary semantics. I think a much more relevant discussion is how those terms, whatever they “mean” are used. An acceptable shorthand? As a negatively prejudiced stereotype?

  33. Scotian

    “FYI: left- and right-wing originated in the parliament of the French First Republic”

    I knew someone would take the bait. The terms refer to this but their use in politics is a twentieth century development, first appearing with the soviet communists. In particular, to be right wing was to be a counter revolutionary. This probably explains the rather bizarre claim that the national socialists were right wing.

  34. MikeF

    “You gotta die of something, lady….”

    As opposed to car exhaust, your cigar IS “comparatively harmless,” but better than that, almost all the statistical links between tobacco and disease pertain ONLY to cigarettes. People who smoke cigars or pipes die at about the same rate as people who don’t smoke at all.

    But beware of giving up your “addiction.” People who stop smoking cigars or pipes are MORE likely to die than those who continue smoking.

    How do I know this? Statistics! In particular the famous (infamous?) 1964 Surgeon General’s report that “proved” that smoking causes lung cancer. You can find all SG reports on-line at the Centers For Disease Control website (cdc.gov). See page 112 for cigars and pipes, and page 102 for cigarette / lung cancer mortality.

    For anyone interested in misleading information and gross statistical abuse, the “scientific literature” on smoking is an almost unending source of examples.

  35. Some History

    Some historical perspective is in order:

    It’s America that’s popularized antismoking insanity – again, and which other countries are following suit. The problem with Americans is that they are clueless to even their own recent history. America has a terrible history with this sort of “health” fanaticism/zealotry/extremism or “clean living” hysteria – including antismoking – that goes back more than a century.

    Antismoking is not new. It has a long, sordid, 400+ year history, much of it predating even the pretense of a scientific basis or the more recent concoction of secondhand smoke “danger”. Antismoking crusades typically run on inflammatory propaganda, i.e., lies, in order to get law-makers to institute bans. Statistics and causal attribution galore are conjured. The current antismoking rhetoric has all been heard before. All it produces is irrational fear and hatred, discord, enmity, animosity, social division, oppression, and bigotry. One of the two major antismoking (and anti-alcohol, dietary prescriptions/proscriptions, physical exercise) crusades early last century was in America. [The other crusade was in WWII Germany and the two crusades were intimately connected by physician-led eugenics]. The USA has been down this twisted, divisive path before. Consider the following: The bulk of claims made about smoking/tobacco were erroneous, baseless, but highly inflammatory. Unfortunately, the propaganda did its destructive job in the short term, producing mass hysteria or a bigotry bandwagon. When supported by the State, zealots seriously mess with people’s minds on a mass scale.

  36. Some History

    The current antismoking crusade, very much in the eugenics tradition – involving the same medically-aligned personnel and repugnant methodology, is much like crusades over the previous 400 years. It is a moralizing, social-engineering, eradication/prohibition crusade decided upon in the 1970s by a small, self-installed clique of [medically-oriented] fanatics operating under the auspices of the World Health Organization and sponsored by the American Cancer Society (see the Godber Blueprint http://www.rampant-antismoking.com ). This little, unelected group, using much the same inflammatory rhetoric of its fanatical predecessors, decided for everyone that tobacco-use should be eradicated from the world – for a “better” (according to them) world. These fanatics were speaking of secondhand smoke “danger” and advocating indoor and OUTDOOR smoking bans years before the first study on SHS: In the 1970s, populations – particularly in relatively free societies – weren’t interested in elitist social-engineering, particularly by a group (medically-aligned) that had a horrible recent track record (eugenics). Given that their antismoking crusade would have otherwise stalled, the zealots conjured secondhand smoke “danger” to advance the social-engineering agenda, i.e., inflammatory propaganda. Until only recently the zealots claimed they weren’t doing social engineering, that they weren’t moralizing. Well, that’s a lie that’s been told many times over the last few decades.

    The zealots’ goal this time is not to ban the sale of tobacco but to ban smoking in essentially all the places that people smoke (combined with extortionate taxes), indoors and out. Up until recently the social-engineering intent has been masqueraded as protecting nonsmokers from secondhand smoke “danger”. But even this fraud can no longer be hidden in that bans are now being instituted for large outdoor areas such as parks, beaches, campuses where there is no demonstrable “health” issue for nonsmokers. This dangerous mix of the medically-aligned attempting social engineering is a throwback to a century ago. We seem to have learned nothing of value from very painful lessons of only the recent past.

  37. Some History

    Here’s a brief history of the antismoking madness (Godber Blueprint) over the last few decades.

    The first demand for a smoking ban was in the late-1980s concerning short-haul flights in the USA of less than 2 hours. At the time, the antismokers were asked if this was a “slippery slope” – where would it end? They ridiculed anyone suggesting such because this ban was ALL that they were after.
    Then they ONLY wanted smoking bans on all flights.
    Then the antismokers ONLY wanted nonsmoking sections in restaurants, bars, etc., and ensuring that this was ALL they wanted.
    Then the antismokers ONLY wanted complete bans indoors. That was all they wanted. At the time, no-one was complaining about having to “endure” wisps of smoke outdoors.

    While they pursued indoor bans, the antismokers were happy for smokers to be exiled to the outdoors. Having bulldozed their way into indoor bans, the antismokers then went to work on the outdoors, now declaring that momentary exposure to remnants of smoke in doorways or a whiff outdoors was a “hazard”, more than poor, innocent nonsmokers should have to “endure”.
    Then they ONLY wanted bans within 10 feet of entrance ways.
    Then they ONLY wanted bans within 20 feet of entrance ways.
    Then they ONLY wanted bans in entire outdoor dining areas.
    Then they ONLY wanted bans for entire university and hospital campuses and parks and beaches.
    Then they ONLY wanted bans for apartment balconies.
    Then they ONLY wanted bans for entire apartment (including individual apartments) complexes.

    On top of all of this, there are now instances where smokers are denied employment, denied housing (even the elderly), and denied medical treatment. Smokers in the UK are denied fostering/adoption. Involuntary mental patients are restrained physically or chemically (sedation) or multi-day solitary confinement rather than allow them to have a cigarette – even outside. In some countries there are also compounded extortionate taxes.

    At each point there was a crazed insistence that there was no more to come while they were actually planning the next ban and the brainwashing required to push it. The incessant claim was that they were not doing “social engineering” (prohibition) when the current antismoking crusade has been so from the outset, just like pretty well every previous antismoking crusade. There has been incessant (pathological) lying and deception. Many medically-aligned groups have been committed to antismoking – their smokefree “utopia” – since the 1960s, and are also in the pay of Pharma companies peddling their useless “nicotine replacement” products. They have prostituted their medical authority and integrity to chase ideology (this is exactly what occurred in the eugenics of early last century). All of it is working to a tobacco-extermination plan run by the WHO (dominated by the American “model”) and that most nations are now signed-up to (Framework Convention on Tobacco Control).

  38. Some History

    From Bayer & Stuber
    “…..In the last half century the cigarette has been transformed. The fragrant has become foul. . . . An emblem of attraction has become repulsive. A mark of sociability has become deviant. A public behavior is now virtually private. Not only has the meaning of the cigarette been transformed but even more the meaning of the smoker [who] has become a pariah . . . the object of scorn and hostility.”

    This change from fragrant to foul has not come from the smoke which has remained a constant. The shift is an entirely psychological one. Unfortunately, the way the shift is manufactured is through negative conditioning. The constant play on fear and hatred through inflammatory propaganda warps perception. Ambient tobacco smoke was essentially a background phenomenon. Now exposure to tobacco smoke (SHS) has been fraudulently manufactured into something on a par with a bio-weapon like, say, sarin gas. There are now quite a few who screech that they “can’t stand” the “stench” of smoke, or the smoke is “overwhelming”; there are now those, hand cupped over mouth, that attempt to avoid even a whiff of dilute remnants of smoke – even outdoors. There are those that claim that, arriving from a night out, they had to put all of their clothes in the washing machine and scrape the “smoke” off their skin in the shower. There are even those that claim they are “allergic” to tobacco smoke. Yet there are no allergens (proteins) in tobacco smoke to be allergic to.

    And it didn’t stop with just the smoke. Cigarette butts – heretofore unheard of – suddenly became a “monumental problem” too – akin to improvised explosive devices, requiring drastic action. These are all recent phenomena born of toxic propaganda; it is an expanding hysteria. It says nothing about the physical properties/propensities of tobacco smoke. These people are demonstrating that they have been successfully conditioned (brainwashed) into aversion. They are now suffering mental dysfunction such as anxiety disorder, hypochondria, or somatization. Typical symptoms of anxiety disorder are heart palpitations, chest tightness, shortness of breath, headache, dizziness, etc. These capnophobics (smokephobics) are no different to those irrationally attempting to avoid cracks in the pavement lest their mental world come crashing down. Questionable social engineering requires putting many into mental disorder to advance the ideological/financial agenda. It is the antismoking fanatics/zealots/extremists and their toxic mentality and propaganda that have long been in need of urgent scrutiny.

  39. Some History

    Nonsmokers are simply people that do not smoke. There are nonsmokers that like the aroma of tobacco smoke and there are plenty more that are not fussed one way or the other. Antismokers, on the other hand, are a different mentality altogether. Antismokers hate [tobacco] smoke/smoking/smokers. There’s even a name that’s been given to this hatred of smoke that probably originated in the antismoking fanaticism in America a century ago – “misocapnist”. Even with the antismoking barrage of the last 30 years, antismokers are still a small group. So, to get their way with legislators they typically hijack the entire nonsmokers group, pretending to speak for all nonsmokers. The history of antismoking is that antismokers will hijack anything – science, religion, history – to depict their bizarre hatred as “normal”. It’s rabid antismokers that are neurotic bigots.

    It’s antismokers that find tobacco smoke as “obnoxious”…. that it “stinks”. It’s antismokers’ subjective experience that they then depict as “objective”. And then follows the “filthy”, “disgusting”, “dirty” barrage. Antismokers’ hyper-reactivity to tobacco smoke is inordinate, disproportionate; many react to even a whiff of smoke as if they’re being led to the gallows. Even their vocabulary in describing smoke is terribly exaggerated – they have to negotiate “walls” or “tunnels” or “clouds” of smoke. Just spend a little time with a rabid antismoker and it becomes quickly apparent that they can’t be reacting to the physical properties of smoke. They seem to be troubled minds projecting their significant inner turmoil (fear/hate) onto smoke.

    State-sponsored inflammatory propaganda concerning tobacco smoke promotes irrational belief, fear and hatred on a mass scale. The fear-mongering has produced a nocebo effect (e.g., anxiety disorder, hypochondria, somatization) in the gullible. Here’s a short but useful video on the nocebo:

  40. Some History

    “Appeal to Authority”
    In all of the antismoking crusades of the last few centuries, there is one common thread – incessant lying. There is no lie too big for antismoking zealots in attempting to force their deranged agenda into law. The lies are temporarily accepted through “appeal to authority” (argumentum ad auctoritatem/verecundiam). All antismoking crusades involve lies promoted as fact through abuse of authority, e.g., abuse of monarchy (King James, King Murad), abuse of religious authority (Temperance groups), abuse of medical authority (Eugenics).

    In America early last century there were all manner of claims made by both religious and medical groups about the deleterious effects of smoking. The bulk of claims were wrong and highly inflammatory, many of them just plainly made up. Yet the medically-aligned (eugenics) in particular – claiming medical authority – gained influence over the legislature and wreaked havoc with anti-alcohol/tobacco crusades (in addition to the racism/breeding that eugenics was most notorious for), and very much supported by Temperance groups.

    The groups that were hijacked very early in this crusade were the Office of the Surgeon-General and the Centers for Disease Control. The medical credentials of these groups were then exploited to push an ideological (antismoking) agenda. The current crusade is further complicated by vested financial interests. Pharmaceutical companies have an interest in antismoking in peddling their “smoking cessation” wares – “nicotine replacement therapy” and Chantix. The Robert Woods Johnson Foundation has pumped billions of dollars into funding antismoking groups. Antismoking groups push for increased taxation on tobacco, smoking bans, etc which put pressure on smokers to quit, who are in turn directed to Pharma wares. RWJF’s income comes from a very large stock holding in Johnson & Johnson, manufacturers of NRT. NRT is essentially ineffective because the idea of “nicotine addiction” is entirely questionable. It was the Office of the Surgeon-General that [incoherently] re-defined smoking as “nicotine addiction” in 1988. The idea of nicotine addiction is also a throwback to the 1800s.

    This is all quite brief, but the current antismoking crusade comes from a dangerous partnering of fanaticism/zealotry and vested financial interests. Here’s the WHO, the originator of the current crusade, publicly indicating its partnership with Pharma interests, although the connection goes further back than 1999:

    To save posting lengthy comments here, please see the series of comments by “magnetic01” entitled “A Short Study on Argumentum Ad Verecundiam” for an example of how the antismoking network goes about inflicting “appeal to authority” on the public:

  41. Some History

    “I was sitting on a raised planter on a street corner in San Francisco, the home of Tolerance.”

    Sympathies. San Francisco is an epi-centre of antismoking fanaticism/zealotry. And the antismoking insanity is led by this guy – Stanton Glantz – at UCSF.

    Some background on Stan.
    Glantz has been with the current antismoking crusade from the very beginning in the 1970s. He is a long-time antismoking activist.
    He is promoted as a “professor of medicine” or a “professor of cardiology”. Yet he’s never done any formal medical training. He makes all manner of economics pronouncements. Yet he has no post-graduate qualifications in economics.

    For those not familiar, Glantz is no “professor of medicine”. He is a mechanical engineer that was given a professorship of medicine by UCSF to lend “medical weight” to his bigoted antismoking ranting and raving. He’s a fraud promoting the logical fallacy of “appeal to authority” along with many of his buddies in Public Health and Tobacco Control.

    According to his online biography, Glantz was awarded a Ph.D. in 1973 from Stanford University in Applied Mechanics and Engineering Economic Systems. From this mechanical background, Glantz undertook a postdoctoral year at Stanford University in Cardiology (1975), and another postdoctoral year at the University of California (San Francisco) in cardiovascular research (1977). It appears that the connection to cardiology is in “applied mechanical” terms; he has no formal training in medicine. In 1977, Glantz was given the academic posting of assistant professor in Cardiology at UCSF; this was upgraded to a full professorship in 1987. Glantz is currently a Professor of Medicine and Director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research & Education at the University of California (San Francisco). It appears that the “medical” status serves essentially to “legitimize” the antitobacco status and exploit Glantz’s high profile in this area.

    Glantz is a glorified mechanic. Astounding is that this extremist, neurotic buffoon that travels the world pontificating on the “benefits” of extreme antismoking measures has been allowed to present himself for the last few decades as a professor of medicine or professor of cardiology. There doesn’t appear to be even one instance where a journalist has asked fundamental questions of Glantz – have you had any clinical training in medicine, where did you complete your internship, with which medical board are you certified to practice medicine. The fraud should have been exposed years ago in the MSM along with the academic system in California that bestowed upon him the “professorship”.

    This glorified mechanic and fake medico has even conjured “studies” in economics. His latest WHO-inspired venture is into film censorship, i.e., getting an R-rating for films that contain smoking scenes (see “appeal to authority” link above). The narcissistic fool knows no bounds: he can fabricate “evidence” in any arena.

  42. Ray

    You will not find the 1967 Surgeon General report on smoking and health on the surgeon general website. It’s been disapeared. This report shows that smokers have lower disease and mortality rates than non-smokers. You can find it here.

  43. MikeF

    Ray, this will probably go into moderation because of the links, but….

    I think I know the 1967 report you reference, and no matter how much I dislike the Surgeon General and other health nuts, the report was not suppressed (but it’s not easy to find unless you know exactly what to look for). If I’ve got the right document, it was created by the National Center for Health Statistics, so it’s not part of the SG canon. The title is “Cigarette Smoking and Health Characteristics” (publication series 10 # 34, May 1967). It has your Table A on page 8. http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?q=site%3Awww.cdc.gov%2Fnchs%2Fdata+filetype%3Apdf+“Cigarette+Smoking+and+Health+Characteristics”&submit1=Search It’s the first item on the list.

    While the Surgeon General’s name does appear on the title page, the report was apparently written by Ronald W. Wilson. (I don’t think this is mentioned in the text.)

    For anyone interested, there’s a critique by Sterling: http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/wbn32f00/pdf and a response by the author plus Sterling’s reply http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/gaj32f00

    Finding light smokers healthier than nonsmokers certainly clouds a dose response relationship. (I think this has been found before [Framingham?]; I wouldn’t trust a single study.) But DR has another serious problem. The cohort studies (e.g., British Doctors) show nonsmokers with the least amount of lung cancer, pack a day smokers with more, and two pack a day smokers with more still. Looks like dose / response. But all three groups develop cancer at roughly the same age. This can’t (?) be DR.

    Passey: http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/jar02i00

    Doll / Pike: http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/drn24a99 Sad to say, I’m a mathematical illiterate, not qualified to evaluate this paper. I would point out, however, that table IV – smoking 3,000 cigarettes (150 packs!) a day – is weird.

  44. Cat22

    In the Nevada land case there was also the hypocrisy. Of a govt that itself selectively obeys the law coming down on this guy with the letter of it. This admin ignores immigration laws at will, bypasses congress and the constitution with frightening regularity, and invents “waivers” whenever it feels like it. I see your point, but let’s have consistency.

    I fail to see how your choice to tax smokers for their “sin” and banish them from all “public” places (most of which are as privately owned as that bakery) represents tolerance and isn’t another way of forcing your morality on others.

  45. Sheri

    Cat 22: I’m going to assume you are not engaging in the “So’s your brother” fallacy but rather complaining that I failed to cover every possible aspect of government behaviour when discussing Bundy.

  46. Brandon Gates

    Sheri: thing I keep in mind is that it’s hard to know what the gummint is really up to at times. But, it can be sued in public court. If courts are too crooked to get it sorted, we’re pretty much hosed. I find it hard to believe we’re at that point as yet.

  47. hmm…all this stuff about smoking… I used to smoke a pipe–messy, bad on teeth and mouth–and an occasional cigar after dinner. Miss the cigar but not the pipe. Kids when they visit, smoke, but outside. Trying to think of a smoking analog for the comic strip “Heaven’s Love Thrift Shop” new version of turn the other cheek: “If anyone hacks your Facebook, let them hack you Twitter also.” … any ideas?

  48. Sheri

    Brandon: It matters not what the government was “up to” in the case I mentioned. The court route had already been taken and Bundy lost—repeatedly. Action against him was taken after he lost and refused to follow the court rulings. Yes, you can still go to court and many ranchers have. Some win, some lose. Just like in every other venue of life.

  49. Jeff briggs

    If this a story or recent events?
    If you were recently in San Francisco your Uncle Tim and your cousins are a little bit down the road in Sacramento and would have loved to gone out to dinner and otherwise caught up.

    My wife and I had dinner with you in NYC a short 11 years ago on our honeymoon with Unlce Dale and Aunt Kayla.

    Love the blog and so does your cousin Steve.

  50. Briggs


    How do! Keep up the comments.

    Next time I’m in SF, I’ll try to get out that way. Amtrack, maybe? (I didn’t have a car.)

  51. When I was writing the section on “Hate” in TobakkoNacht — The Antismoking Endgame I searched for a way that could communicate the true amount and depth of the hate that has been so carefully built against smokers over the past twenty or thirty years.

    Just talking about it academically wouldn’t work, and citing three or four or even a dozen “anecdotal examples” wouldn’t mean much: they’d be rightfully tossed off as cherry-picking out of the vast field of life. Taking dozens of pages to outline examples didn’t seem right either: the book was already over 400 pages long and I didn’t want to detract so seriously from the content- and thought-filled pages of so many of the other sections.

    I finally hit upon the idea of emulating Orwell’s “Two Minutes Of Hate” by providing, in a smaller font and using condensed spacing, “Four Pages Of Hate” — one comment after another, chosen from the many hundreds I’d saved from message boards over the years, showing the nastiness that is out there in all its rawness, just as it was written by the posters.

    If you go to http://bit.ly/WallOfHate you’ll see those four pages transformed into a single 3′ x 4′ poster that I use (along with a few others) as wall-hangings when I do book presentations. The print is small, but you can download it and enlarge it, and even use it yourself to print out a poster if you want. The volume, intensity, and sheer unadulterated meanness of it all concentrated in one single space manages, to at least some extent, to convey the size and seriousness of the problem.

    – MJM

  52. Briggs


    What a great poster! I may steal the idea for another purpose.

    The Tolerance Brigade are always so happy, aren’t they?

  53. Pcprinciple

    I think white people are superior to other races and should rule over them because Whites inherently have better judgement. If you call me a racist then you’re just doing exactly what you’re complaining about in this article. So where’s the line? If you think, like most decent people, that racial discrimination is bad, then you’d disagree with me. But don’t you dare call me a bigot or racist, because I’m not. I just disagree with your morality … Right?

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