This article originally appeared on 5 December 2016, but I’m reposting it because interest in the EM Drive has renewed. RT reports, “China’s announcement would put them ahead of NASA in the race for an EM Drive.” Yahoo reports, “A video put out by a Chinese propaganda channel claims that Chinese scientists have a working prototype — something NASA has failed to achieve.” The doubts I express below have increased.
Heard of the EM Drive? EM is for electromagnetic. The idea is that, in an enclosed cone, some microwaves are bounced around, and that this bouncing somehow propels the cone, and presumably whatever is attached to it, forward.
Nothing comes out of the cone, mind. There is no propellant. The cone is sealed tight.
So how does it push, when nothing pushes back against it? As one popular article put it, the EM Drive appears to violate Newton’s third law, which is for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In the EM Drive, there is an action but no apparent reaction. Conservation of momentum is no more. Apparently.
Another name for the machine is the RF resonant cavity thruster. A version of it was put to the test recently by NASA. And it seemed to work.
I have doubts.
The paper (which is free to read) is “Measurement of Impulsive Thrust from a Closed Radio-Frequency Cavity in Vacuum” by Harold White, Paul March, James Lawrence, Jerry Vera, Andre Sylvester, David Brady, and Paul Bailey in the Journal of Propulsion and Power.
You have to read the paper for the introduction and apparatus and experimental description (there is no reason to repeat it here). Many readers of this blog won’t have trouble understanding the gist.
Finished reading the paper? Let’s jump to the end.
Figure 19 is the summary of results of the tests of the forward and reverse thrust vacuum testing. The large, original version should be consulted instead of the smaller image which leads this post.
Power was varied and force estimated. The red circles are the results of the estimates of force from individual experiments at the given power levels. The purple circles/lines are only averages and can be ignored. A (dashed gray) line was over-plotted, the result of a linear regression of power and estimated force. Technically (and you can ignore this point), the uncertainty in the estimated force should be used in the regression, but it’s not clear they did this. That means the gray line, and subsequent equation Force = 1.16843 x Power will be too certain.
Skip the technicalities and notice something more important. The red circles at powers of about 40 W are tightly clustered and indicate a low level of estimated force. The red circles at powers of about 60 W are much more variable, but do indicate some (not all) higher levels of estimated force. But the red circles at 80-85 W look to be about the same, with a tad less variability, than the estimated forces at 60 W.
In other words, it appears as if the estimated forces tails off, or plateaus after 60 W. Might the estimated force jump or increase again at, say, 200 W or greater? Sure. It might do anything. But all we have is the data in front of us. And from that, it looks like it levels off.
If that is so—and I emphasize I am only guessing—then there are two things to consider. The first is that the equation reported by the authors of 1.2 ± 0.1 mN/kW isn’t quite right and is far too optimistic. If the force plateaus, then the better statistical estimate of force is roughly 100 micro-Newtons for powers greater than 60 W (with some plus and minus), which is at best more than 10 times smaller than the forces estimated by the regression. (The regression is also optimistic, because power levels didn’t even reach 100 W, let alone kilo-watts.)
But so what. 100 micro-Newtons is still greater than 0 Newtons, and any force north of 0 proves the concept of the EM drive.
That’s brings us to the second consideration. That leveling off casts suspicion that a form of energy leakage has not been identified. We’d expect greater thrust with greater power levels, but we didn’t see it, which is evidence, but far from conclusive evidence, that something has been missed. We’re talking estimated micro-Newtons here, so it wouldn’t take much leakage to provide the thrusts seen.
Now the force is estimated (via a chain of inference) at first via aluminum electrostatic fins, so it looks like leakage of magnetic field from the cone wouldn’t effect these; but where the aluminum connects, at the circuitry, there could have been induced fields (or maybe the aluminum was dirty or dusty?). And that’s just one of many places to look. But there’s no point me going over possibilities. Let somebody who is better do it. (Perhaps you?)
I found this to be the most fascinating part of the paper. The authors took leakage seriously and went to great pains to measure potential errors. But from the language describing some of the sources, you have to wonder if a wee bit of over-confidence snuck in.
The second error is RF interaction with the surrounding environment, which has the potential for possible RF patch charging on the walls of the vacuum chamber interacting with the test article to cause displacement of torsion pendulum. Leaking RF fields are kept very low by ensuring RF connections are tight and confirmed by measuring with an RF leakage meter (levels are kept below a cell phone RF leakage level). Any wall interaction needs to be a well-formed resonance coupling and, because of the high frequency, will be highly sensitive to geometry.
Keeping the RF test article on resonance inside of the frustum volume requires a phase-locked loop system to maintain resonance as the test article expands during operation, so it is not likely that the RF test article can establish and maintain an effective external RF resonance. [Paragraph break mine.]
Well, it’s true at these frequencies geometry is important (ask anybody who builds antennas for gigahertz signals), it’s also true these same RF signals show up in the damnedest places. I merely mention this as one example of how one can fool oneself.
To the stars!
I’d be thrilled to learn my doubts were baseless, or were quibbles, and the EM drive worked. But there are more doubts about how the EM drive is supposed to work. Quantum mechanical pilot-waves. If you don’t know about these, you’ll have to wait for another day. But the authors appear to mix up, as most do, what is from our knowledge of what is, of the ontic with the epistemic, with ontology and epistemology. I’ll save those criticisms, because what is above is enough for now.
Update Forbes is talking about it, and so are others.
You probably also doubted cold fusion.
A version of Maxwell’s demon.
The article in Forbes and others (Hot Air) are one and the same by the same author. He did what you do with Stream articles. (Hmmm … Could EM stand for Ed Morrissey?)
I didn’t read the whole paper but where did you get the idea these are estimates vs. measurements?
I searched the paper for the word “estimate” and it wasn’t found.
Not sure why you would dispense with the averages. Those are more representative of what you would get by blurring your eyes while viewing a point-plot. cloud.
I agree that the data appear to have tapered and a linear regression seems inappropriate. Maybe they can up the power by a factor 10 the next time around and see what they get.
Wikipedia reports that the concept was first proposed by Roger Shawyer…and the tentative promising findings found way back then were dismissed:
“John C. Baez, a mathematical physicist at the University of California, and Australian science fiction writer Greg Egan said that as of 2006 the positive results reported by Shawyer were likely misinterpretations of experimental errors.”
When Wikipedia reports presents a sci-fi writer as an authority to critique an idea, the idea is probably worth dismissing…that or dismiss Wikipedia as a source….
In the latest paper the authors present this in their conclusion:
“Thrust data from forward, reverse, and null suggested that the system was consistently performing at 1.2±0.1??mN/kW1.2±0.1??mN/kW, which was very close to the average impulsive performance measured in air. A number of error sources were considered and discussed. Although thermal shift was addressed to a degree with this test campaign, future testing efforts should seek to develop testing approaches that are immune to CG shifts from thermal expansion. As indicated in Sec. II.C.8, a modified Cavendish balance approach could be employed to definitively rule out thermal.”
The purpose of the test was to see if some tiny amount of thrust was possible, and it appears there is — if thermal effects can be ruled out (and the other identified, or for that matter unrecognized) sources of error are also ruled out.
So, basically what we can conclude from this paper is that the findings are tentative:
– the approach appears to provide a tiny amount of measurable thrust
– but some additional testing is required to rule out (at least) recognized sources of error
Well, the good news is it’s not Rocket Science, so how hard can it be?
I agree with Ted. We could power this thing with cold fusion. AI-controlled, obviously.
Probably caused by an anomalous interaction with subspace. Or maybe a power surge.
Emdrive results being in error is so obvious, that it is ridiculous for anyone to think otherwise.
Well, two things. I would like to see a few data points and corresponding error bars at zero power input. Also, I am curious as to how the power cable is attached to the EM drive in such a way as to ensure that no torque/tension/force is applied to the torsion pendulum. Very, very tentative results.
Jerry Pournelle said: “I still want to see it hang off vertical in a swing for two weeks.”
Yeah. I agree with you. I’m an RF/Microwave Design Engineer and personally I’ve been fooled numerous times thinking I’ve discovered something extraordinary. Every time, though, I really just discovered I didn’t understand RF as well as I thought. It is really magical acting at times.
More zero point energy.
APL – you are “curious as to how the power cable is attached to the EM drive”? You missed perhaps the coolest part of the apparatus: “Galinstan liquid metal contacts”! Sounds like something Scotty would have come up with in a pinch.
It certainly would be nifty if this proves out, since it would mean a new (and very useful) physical law has been discovered. But skepticism seems to be in order. I’d put my money on something simple they are overlooking, probably heat related, something like the effect in the Crookes radiometer.
And I agree, the unnecessary extrapolating to the kW level reveals that they are assuming what they are trying to prove.
I’ve still been thinking about this. Usually in my experience these types of strange results were alway from some sort of calibration issue.Also, If they are using multi port analyzers a lot of weird stuff can happen. But what’s really interesting is that if the government were to get behind this there could really be a lot of money spent on it. People would be in charge of big programs. Anyone against the New Perpetual Motion would be rightly labeled “Anti Science!”. As an RF engineer, and skeptic of this, it would be pointed out that, “yes,well you’re an RF engineer, but you don’t have a PhD like these brilliantly funded people! Look how smart they are! They’re scientists for the Govermnent! Who’s funding you? Morton Thiokol probably!”. Sound familiar?
No, it doesn’t sound familiar. What’s it supposed to remind me of?
What is “…at best more than 10 times smaller …”? One-tenth as much? Wouldn’t that be as much as ten times less unclear?
cf. Dean Drive
Briggs ==> The force alleged obtained does remain the same (or even lessens slightly, due to the narrowing of the effect) between 60 and 80 watts (power). If this were a medical study on the harm of some substance, we would say that there is something wrong with the dose/response throwing doubt on the whole thing.
If putting in more power does not result in more force (thrust) then something is sadly amiss.