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Pfizer Adverse Events List Released: Plus An Update Of VAERS Analysis: J&J Deaths, Pfizer Injuries Younger

The judge-ordered release of the Pfizer docs happened this week (full link). Just when I thought we’d kicked the coronadoom habit.

I don’t want it to get lost: what we’re about to see first are the adverse events reported by Pfizer only through February 2021. A year ago. Before the huge push to intimidate and force younger people to be vexxed. Thus, the young will be underrepresented in the Pfizer data. But not in VAERS.

I’m reverting to the Ann Cherry-spelling vex for this post to get by any censors. Here is the original VAERS post, which gives all the provisos. I’ll expect you to have read that before commenting about VAERS itself.

Here are the screenshots of: “1. LIST OF ADVERSE EVENTS OF SPECIAL INTEREST”.

Seem like a lot to you?

“But Briggs, what are the background levels of all these. That’s important.”

Uh huh. You look. I have seen in my over twenty years in medical statistics many adverse events reports. This one is the largest, and it isn’t even close. Given the manic panicked nature of the vex effort, that’s not surprising.

Now we’ll re-examine VAERS, which includes Pfizer and all the doom vexxines.

The data on adverse events is voluntarily submitted. Which makes some say “Ackshusally, we could trust VAERS in all the years up to 2021. But not after, because you’re a racist.” Or whatever.

What’s fun is that even Pfizer admits “the magnitude of underreporting is unknown.” Under, not over.

Cumulatively, through 28 February 2021, there was a total of 42,086 case reports (25,379 medically confirmed and 16,707 non-medically confirmed) containing 158,893 events. Most cases (34,762) were received from United States (13,739), United Kingdom (13,404) Italy (2,578), Germany (1913), France (1506), Portugal (866) and Spain (756); the remaining 7,324 were distributed among 56 other countries.

One thousand two hundred and twenty three—1223—dead bodies. At least. By the end of Feb 2021. A year ago.

Yes: some may be non-vex caused. But Yes: some may be vex caused. We’re back to the dying with and dying from distinction. How did that debate work out for coronadoom deaths? I mean, what numbers did the CDC use?

Never mind. Here’s the updated VAERS analysis. All of 2021 and up to this Monday in 2022. All the caveats are in the first post. I will not re-explain them here.

All right. How unusual is the doom vex to other vexxes in VAERS? We trust VAERS for other vexxes. Right? If the distributions are similar for doom and non-doom, it gives us increased confidence reporting on the doom is reliable. Here the distribution of days since vex to death, for both the doom and all other vexxes.

The doom has many more entrants, so the distribution looks fuller. But it has the same shape. Which gives us confidence people reporting doom events are doing so using the same kind of behavior they had in reporting non-doom events. This, of course, says nothing direct about cause of death.

The “-30 days” are mistakes in VAERS, negative days. I don’t remove them, but lump all negative days into the 30-day prior bucket. Even that distribution looks the same. I also lump all deaths past a year into the 365 bucket. That looks the same.

Judgement: whatever reporting habits into VAERS is for non-doom on death days, it is for the doom.

This is the Age of Death after vex distribution.

That 0.42 is years. Meaning 5 month olds. Meaning the kids getting their regular routine vexxines.

Meaning the regular routine vexxines are likely killing some kids. Did you know? This was never a controversial statement before. In other words, it is, or was, known that vexxes kill some kids. But it was thought the risk was worth it. Suddenly, this knowledge was forbidden. Ain’t that curious?

Again, this is in favor of VAERS because we know few kids under 5 get the doom vex. But most kids get “routine” non-doom vexxes.

Judgement: VAERS is very likely just as trustworthy as it always was.

Now we look just at the doom vexxes, by type. This is the distribution of Age of Death by manufacturer.

Those injected with J&J are dying younger than those with the other vexxies. Do you see it? See how the blue distribution shifts lower?

Something different is happening with J&J.

I count 51 dead 17 and under across all doom vexxes.

Now look at Pfizer. See how the distribution bops up for the very youngest? The “1” may be an error, but the others, no. The 13-16 year olds are dying at higher rates with Pfizer than with other shots. Well, that’s because the young aren’t getting the other ones.

This is the Days Until Death by vex.

Not much different here, except those getting Moderna die fastest. Big difference. Tell me you see the big, very big bump in early deaths after Moderna.

Last, the distribution of Age of Life Threatening Injury by vex.

I apologize for the age labels cutting out for those under 17. But if you stare, you can figure them out easily enough.

The young getting Pfizer are suffering many more life-threatening injuries than the other vexxes. Because the young aren’t getting those other vexxes.

There is more to the Pfizer docs than what we’ve done today. It is a huge cache and it will take time to examine.

One revelation is that the Pfizer study wasn’t blinded.

The reason is that the identities of vaccine and placebo recipients was pretty much “out in the open” at that site. It wasn’t “double blind,” meaning an experiment where neither the researchers nor the participants know who is getting the treatment and who is getting the placebo…

Except knowledge of who was in the treatment and control groups went far beyond the nurses administering the shots. According to the Pfizer/BioNTech study protocol, the study manager and the clinical research associate at each study site were also unblinded, along with a team of researchers, including people responsible for reviewing adverse events and protocol deviations (see p.49):

Huge no-no for the obvious reasons. Which Pfizer turned into a big yes yes in our prior idiot moral panic. We’ve since moved on to a new moral panic, of course.

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  1. Briggs, AEoSI is a search terms list the authors used to put together the paper. It’s used to provide transparency into their methodology. It’s not necessarily what they found associated with the vaccines.

  2. 1223—dead bodies. At least. By the end of Feb 2021.

    I can’t work out where you get 1,223 deaths from, but by 28th February 2021, about 140 million people had been vaccinated, so 1,223 deaths out of 140 million vaccinations is only 1 in 114,000. That sounds like the sort of risk you’d normally say wasn’t worth worrying about.

  3. @swordfishtrombone Depends on what the mortality profile of a similar population looked like absent vax, and also what supposed benefit vax would bring.

    Is that vaccinated people, or doses? And does that exclude people “in between” doses?

  4. I enjoy reading Briggs’ Twitter feed, and when he tweeted this article, it got the dread “!Misleading” tag: “Learn why health officials consider COVID-19 vaccines safe for most people. Find out more:”

    Followed by “This Tweet can’t be replied to, shared or liked.” Apparently, the government’s own VAERS website is “misinformation.” Duly noted.

    I’d never clicked on a “Find out more” because I knew what I’d find, and I wasn’t disappointed. In boldface we learn, “Scientists and public health experts say that vaccines are safe for most people” (better pray you are one of those “most”) followed by a list of five items:

    “-How COVID-19 vaccines are developed, tested and approved for use”

    (We might respond, they’re developed using cells from freshly-killed babies’ kidneys, they’re not tested for long-term effects because “emergency”, and they’re approved because drug companies provide almost half of the regulators’ funding, which might be considered bribes and pay-offs.)

    “-How regulators hold pharmaceutical companies to high medical standards on short timelines”

    (We might answer, “They don’t”. Or, “by protecting them from all liability if their product harms or kills the consumer, because “emergency”.)

    “-Why COVID-19 vaccine side effects are expected and rarely serious.”

    (We might answer, “they are ‘expected’ because in animal testing trials, all of the animals soon died…” and “they are ‘rarely serious’ means, “they aren’t serious for our agency’s or company’s bottom line, because we don’t have any legal liability if our products kill or maim people”)

    “-More information on ongoing safety monitoring and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)”

    And lastly, my personal favorite:

    “-Advice for pregnant people.”

    (Because, thanks to “Scientists and public health experts”, we now know it isn’t just women who get pregnant.)

    This is followed by expert information from the World Health Organization (WHO?), such as this gem:

    “Vaccines can (“can” being synonymous with “might”) protect you from serious illness from COVID-19, but after being vaccinated, you should STILL

    -Wear a mask
    -Keep a safe distance
    -Open windows
    -Cough/sneeze into your elbow
    -Keep hands clean”
    -Make sure your affairs are in order (I added this one.)

    Because we all know that Covid viruses don’t travel around and thru masks, or more than six feet (or is it three feet?), and they escape out windows like a thief in the night.

    Lastly, I think Briggs and all of his readers would agree that “most people” don’t die from the vexxine, just as “MOST” people don’t die of most things, but SOME do. COVID-19 is primarily a disease of the old and the sick; it could be argued that respecting younger people, more have died or been injured by the vexxine, than from the infection itself.

    I like “vexxine” because it distinguishes this gene-altering serum from a “vaccine”. A “vaccine” is a de-activated, small portion of a virus, that is injected to trigger a (usually) permanent antibody response.

    An mRNA “vexxine” triggers our own cells to CREATE the poisonous part of the virus, the “spike proteins”, which hopefully triggers an antibody response, but sometimes kills or maims the vexxine recipient, in various ways, such as when the spike proteins show up in heart, lungs, or brain.

    There is some indication that the serum itself (or at least some batches) contains graphene hydroxide which acts as microscopic razor blades, damaging the smooth epithelial cells inside our veins and arteries, and triggering blood clots. See:

    Expert Reportedly Killed After He Publicly Revealed that Graphene Hydroxide is in COVID-19 Vaccines and Warned of Its Dangers – Great Mountain Publishing:

    https://greatmountainpublishing.com/2021/12/02/expert-reportedly-killed-after-he-publicly-revealed-that-graphene-hydroxide-is-in-covid-19-vaccines-and-warned-of-its-dangers/

    Regarding the vexxine manufacturer’s “release from liability”, know that fraud, if proven, voids these contract provisions. Those who have stock in these companies may want to act accordingly.

  5. I think we’ll find the real story is more terrible than this document could even possibly capture and convey. One of the primary issues is that of LNPs that become problems after multiple doses over “months or years”. Also, turning your cells into spike factories makes them special targets for your immune system. So many other things one could list.

    These things will only appear over time…which is one reason the VAERS system was created. Which was just fine and acceptable until it wasn’t…

  6. ”LIST OF ADVERSE EVENTS OF SPECIAL INTEREST”

    Imagine a Tv ad for vexxines; happy jabby people wearing Facebook grins, and at the end a chipper voice advises, “May cause…” and then takes twenty minutes to read off every multisyllabic sickness listed there. But NPCs take jab regardless, because screen says.

    Maybe the Overlords will enlist an army of NPC jabbees and ship them off to Ukraine armed with poison vex syringes to take on the Russian Bear. Or maybe the NPCs will volunteer to be meat bombs, dropped out B-52 bomb bays making mass splatter on Ivan. Lots of possibilities in Clown World. Just use your imagination and then turn the crazy up to twelve.

  7. After the the CDC were humiliated in their court tussles, I expected they would get their revenge by redacting everything; page after page of big black boxes with the only unredacted data being the page numbers. Surprised they’ve left it readable.

    But what I want to know is why there is a gene sequence in both the SARS-COV-2 spike protein furin cleavage site and a 2017 Moderna patent (registered to CEO Bancel) that has a 1 in 3 trillion probability of occurrence in nature. I also want to know whether this patent is also associated with Fauci/NIH and whether Bancel deleting his Twitter account/dumping shares are connected events. Smells to me.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542309/Fresh-lab-leak-fears-study-finds-genetic-code-Covids-spike-protein-linked-Moderna-patent.html

  8. “After the the *CDC …”

    *FDA.

    @Swordfish: “… 1 in 114,000. That sounds like the sort of risk you’d normally say wasn’t worth worrying about.”

    This depends upon whether you’re the 1 or the 114,000. But in any case this is completely the wrong approach. The question that needs investigation is: Would any of these persons still be alive if they had not taken the vaccination? Forget background rates which is a complete red herring.

    Clinical assessment (N = 1) vs Population (N very large) is applicable here.

  9. The ‘early’ J&J deaths are likely due to the lack of availability of J&J when the elderly were prioritized by government organizations. Most of the elderly got Pfizer or Moderna before J&J was ready reducing deaths in that cohort.

  10. Whatever happened to primum non nocere or am I just showing my age by asking that question?

  11. I have managed clinical trials for a little over five years and the greatest number of AESIs I have ever seen in a protocol is seven. The size of that list is ridiculous.

  12. Thanks for this and all your work documenting the insanity of the slaughtered-baby-death vexes. Your now second to last article was really outstanding as well. Really appreciate the link to the docs. I hadn’t had time to track them down and now I’ve tucked away a copy.

    It’s all been and is a war on us.

  13. Ahh, my nostalgic and sentimental self harkens back to the national vaccination program for the swine flu in 1976 (the only flu jab ever taken!) when the program was cancelled when two dozen (apparently) died, after one-third of the population had been jabbed. I think 50 in total deaths were attributed to the vax.

    What simple times those were…

  14. Lent is an especially bad time to feed the trolls (Swordfish Trombone is one)

    Depriving them of a response to their trolling means they will eventually stop their trolling.

    Some can be driven out only by praying others will stop feeding him – as Brigs has repeatedly reminded his readers – and making them fast – and a response to their nonsense is their rhetorical food they feast on.

    Deny them what is necessary to his survival.

    making them fast on attention na spraying others wil not continue to feed the trolls even though Briggs has said that in here repeatedly.

  15. @Mick So a troll, then, is anyone saying something with which you, Dr. Briggs, or the general prevailing commentariat disagree? I didn’t read swordfish’s comment as insulting, demeaning, or hostile. He’s (I assume “he”) is stating a fact and his interpretation of it. Is it subjective? Yes. Is your interpretation? Yes.

  16. I’m surprised to see no follow up to the very first comment here from Matt. Was that long list of medical conditions referring to ones actually found, or just looked for? If the latter, at the risk of sounding like a Twitter bot, it does seem misleading to present it so prominently and without explanation.

  17. A few issues in the list that caught my eye:

    Many herpes variations. Low birth weight. Juvenile myoclonic epilepsy. Many renal (kidney) issues, including renal failure. Many SARS_VoV2 test false positives/negatives.

    COVID-19 pneumonia. Huh? Isn’t the idea to prevent that?

    Not to mention Blue toe syndrome and Dreamy state.

    Yikes!

  18. While it’s admirable that the good Doctor Briggs provides keen analysis of the previous mass-murder psyop, Coronadoom, we should acknowledge it has been canceled and superseded by a fresh, new and improved mass-murder psyop, Russia Wardoom! Progress! What a thrilling clown show! Look at the hilarious NPC dancing puppets — haha! Hitlers everywhere! It’s the Greatest Show on Earth!

  19. OBSERVATION: If “The 3 VEX(s)” (M,P,J) had NO influence on (or correlation to) all cause mortality within injected cohorts ~ then variation between figures for VEX(M) VEX(P) VEX(J) assigned by Duration Days (x, axis) should be zero, or very near zero. Instead a differential factor of 2 or more occurs at certain Duration Days points. Assuming that VEX(s) (M,P,J) were randomly “prescribed / administered” ~ what explains deaths reported by VAERS forming this jagged-ridge color line (black, yellow, blue)? Is it simply that VAERS deaths are small numbers? {Proportion, not actual #s are shown on the y-axis} Am I just barking into a statistical forest? My heuristic instinct says that visually examining this chart adds some credence to VAERS representing deaths ||actually caused|| by (a) VEX over deaths merely subsequent to (a) VEX. If all VEX were instead an identical uniform placebo, then this jagged-ridge color line would tend to be smooth(er) – since ‘types’ of VEX wouldn’t exist.

    CONCLUSION: VEX DEATHS are actually occurring. Whether all such deaths are fully enumerated, or only partially represesented by VAERS reporting cannot be deduced. Confounding factors such as bulk VAERS reporting by certain physicians or specific medical care units could be present. Longer-term, attributing any deaths of individuals to VEX as a single determining or dominant factor will become more complex (less certain); but, comparing ongoing aggregate mortality of VEXED vs. UnVEXED will create a clearer picture of the consequences of ‘Public Health’ VEXING policies. Whether such data ever becomes publicized is another matter. **[Ref Chart: Days Until Death After Vaccination by Vax Type (>18)]

  20. Haha! — in circus ring #2 a tiny car just vomited a troupe of midget clowns wearing tiny hats beating war drums! Haha! And now one of them is playing Hava Nagila with his penis! Oh man, I’m dying! They’re gonna slay half the world by laughing us to death! What a way to go! Hahaha-HAHhaHaha!!!!

  21. All of this seems to be going away being replaced with Ukraine. As pointed out on Tucker tonight even the wicked witch of the north, Gretchen (governor of I think Briggs current hideout) has dumped the Fauci pillow in her background screen shots. When was the last time we heard from Fauci?

  22. Johnno,

    Speaking of vexxine failures

    You link to a blog by some Catholic called Mark Docherty, who makes false claims by cherry picking a couple of out-of-context figures from a report which actually says the opposite. Here is what the report actually says about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines against mortality:

    High levels of protection (over 90%) are also seen against mortality with all 3 vaccines and against both the Alpha and Delta variants with relatively limited waning (6, 10, 11). Vaccine effectiveness against mortality with the Omicron variant has been estimated for those aged 50 years and older by combining the risk of becoming a symptomatic case with the risk of death among symptomatic cases in vaccinated (all vaccines combined) compared to unvaccinated individuals (Table 1). At 25+ weeks following the second dose, vaccine effectiveness was around 60% while at 2 or more weeks following a booster vaccine effectiveness was 95% against mortality.

    Docherty is a liar for Jesus, which is odd as Jesus would presumably be in favour of vaccinations against deadly diseases. (Or maybe not, as he did stupidly tell his followers not to wash their hands before eating.)

  23. That list can’t be of adverse events that were actually found or that are due to the vex. It includes things like “COVID-19 prophylaxis”, “COVID-19 treatment”, and “Product supply issues.” Not saying there aren’t problems with the vex, just that that list isn’t those problems.

  24. The UK no longer gives data on those with one or two shots, only the “fully boosted” and the filthy unvaccinated.

    Even with the vaccinations being restricted to the population in theory with the most protection from vaccinations we have:

    -The fully boosted are almost 3 times more likely to get infected by COVID than the unvaxxed. (The rate per 100,000 for fully boosted to get infected is about 2.92 times greater than the unvaxxed.)
    -There is still some effectiveness against hospitalization and death, but it’s pretty week. About 50% effectiveness in both places.
    -It should be noted that the deaths and hospitalization counts in the UK are all “admitted with” not “admitted because.” That is, if you get a positive COVID test and then you go to the emergency room for any reason within the next four weeks, you count in the stats for hospitalization.
    -It should also be noted that 50% effectiveness is in terms of relative risk, but the absolute risk is minuscule. For example, the total hospitalization rate is about 2% of the infection rate. So best case scenario the vaccine might decrease your chance of getting hospitalized from 2% to 1%.
    -Though keep in mind that you’re more likely to get sick in the first place with the triple boost than without. Additionally keep in mind that the stats for the merely single or doubled jabbed are not included, but are presumably worse.

    (And yes I know that I’m doing “unapproved” things by using direct population data to estimate effectiveness rather than putting things through the appropriate models to massage the data first. But even if you only trust the “official” effectiveness estimates, most of these are quite low against omicron, with most measures of effectiveness struggling to get to 50% and some dropping as low as 10%.)

    Keep all of this in mind when you consider whether the side effects are worth it.

  25. The UK no longer gives data on those with one or two shots, only the “fully boosted” and the filthy unvaccinated.”
    Here’s the truth:

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
    Talk about fact checking.
    ~~~
    Swordfish:
    Seems not even a cursory attempt is required any more around here.
    Swordfish,
    When did Jesus tell people not to wash their hands before eating?

    My reading is that most of the time he was explaining to a more primitive populous that it is what comes from the heart and mouth that makes a person spiritually unclean. Much of the is understanding and argument is about spiritual versus physical flesh, when interpreting scripture. that step change happened as a result of Jesus’s teaching, then reinforced as people came to believe he was who he said.
    ~~~
    Robert M Ryan, good point.
    Those telling the truth or bearing true witness to what they see have nothing to fear from people on the side of goodness. Ultimately, they haver nothing to fear if they believe in Jesus

  26. And Swordfish, Jesus would support vaccines against deadly diseases.
    Physical measures taken to help and heal the sick in the past were not outlawed by Jesus.
    False sacrifice was.
    As was false prayer
    insincere ‘love’
    blaming of others for what they literally cannot help, or control,
    Love is his meaning.
     
    That is the key (by my understanding)

  27. Joy,

    Talk about fact checking.

    You really mashed Rudolph Harrier. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

    When did Jesus tell people not to wash their hands before eating?

    Mark 7:1 7 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.

    Luke 11:38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

    Yes, I know these stories are supposed to be making a theological point, but doesn’t that mean they are theology texts first, historical accounts second?

    Jesus would support vaccines against deadly diseases.

    Maybe not, considering that he thought mental illness was caused by demons (with hilarous consequences for 2,000 pigs).

  28. Yes, I know these stories are supposed to be making a theological point, but doesn’t that mean they are theology texts first, historical accounts second?
    (as I see it):
    Yes, they are theology first. The historical accuracy of the Gospels are not as in a science document or legal document. Yet they can be as evidence used in a court. The existence of Jesus is not questioned or disputed by most historians and collars of all stripes, As you know it’s about whether what he said is true.
    They are memories of what took place. They were written by those inspired by their knowledge of the presence of God. Like Paul, who was persecuting Christians very badly, until he was blinded by a light and heard his voice. I believe that happened to him. He was still very officious and still seemingly erasable yet he switched to explaining that the Spirit is what counts, not the written law. Like Jesus though he did not teach to disobey the law but to tell the truth. The truth can’t be enforced by threats or violence. Another way to know that hard line fundamentalism is wrong. Just misses the entire point.
     
    That is the kind of evidence which is harder to dismiss. Paul, like anybody normal who cares about truth, religious or otherwise, would not be swayed on what he saw and experienced. Why should he? So if he lied, he kept it up for a long while and endured torture and all sorts of punishment.

    Hope that answered and didn’t go off piste.
    Trying to shorten my answer to your second quote.

  29. swordfishdumbo

    You link to a blog by some Catholic called Mark Docherty, who makes false claims by cherry picking a couple of out-of-context figures from a report which actually says the opposite. Here is what the report actually says about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines against mortality:

    BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH – THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE SAID – BLAH BLAH BLAH – I DID NOT READ THE FOLLOWING : At 25+ weeks following the second dose, vaccine effectiveness was around 60% while at 2 or more weeks following a booster vaccine effectiveness was 95% against mortality.

    Look everyone! It’s like we’ve been saying all along, the “safe and effectiveness” of the vexxines is limited to several weeks of effectiveness and safety! That it drops off like a rock and undermines the patient later leading to serious vexxine injury and/or death is not a concern! The vexxine works for the very explicit period of temporary boosts it gives you! Then it stops! You then need a BOOSTER to KEEP IT GOING!!! CONGRATULATIONS SUCKER! YOUR NATURAL IMMUNIITY IS NOW COMPROMISED TO THE POINT OF DEPENDENCY ON ANOTHER INJECTION! BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!! Hope you got a subscription for your prescription plan for VAIDS fishy!

    Docherty is a liar for Jesus, which is odd as Jesus would presumably be in favour of vaccinations against deadly diseases.

    He’s lying that hospitalizations and deaths are up amongst the vexxined? Where? And rather than Mr. Docherty, do you mean the paper – THE EXPOSE -??? From which he is quoting?
    https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/06/russia-distraction-from-fact-covid-jabs-cause-vaids/

    Your provided quote from uk.gov’s paper didn’t disprove what he said! You fell for some limited time offer marketing as usual! I particularly love Figure 16 where they compare actual observed hospitalizations to a COMPLETELY IMAGINARY FIGURE OF EXPECTED HOSPITALIZATIONS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! They admit failure while saying they avoided an imaginary number they expected that is much more catastrophic! MODELS, GENTLEMEN!!!

    (Or maybe not, as he did stupidly tell his followers not to wash their hands before eating.)

    BWHAHAHAHAHA!!! Looks like someone is blindly cherry picking ‘Gotcha’s’ from AtheistWebClub for Kids! As reliable as fak-chakers!

    Mark 7:1 7 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.

    How suspicious that you didn’t quote the whole thing hookerfish! Further down to #8…

    So the Pharisees and scribes questioned Jesus: “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders? Instead, they eat with defiled hands.” Jesus answered them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’ You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.”

    The Pharisees were much like fishypoo, trying to cherry-pick and find fault with Christ’s disciples momentary transgression, because they were assholes. So Christ merely pointed out their hypocrisy. Please point out where Jesus says “Nah, don’ wash yer hands. It’s bad.” Find it fishy… Go on! Tell us how the Guy who invented Water and ordered the ceremonial washing in the first place forgot how to do things! Same for Luke 11.

    Think of it as someone walking into your home when you greet them at the door and they walk right by you and refuse to greet you or shake your hand. This was essentially what occurred. The Jews were notorious for kosher-ness and washing your feet and hands before entering a home. It was so habitually common that you’d have to be deliberately doing it for a reason.

    FishyMeToo doesn’t know the typical prophetic rabbinical practices where the prophets and teachers would deliberately go out of their way to do something dumb to bait their target into a conversation and teaching moment. Like Jeremiah walking around wearing a yoke, or Isaiah taking a whore for a wife. As was continued on traditionally by ‘Holy Fool’ monks and even as old and common as the Far East and Confucius.

    Yes, I know these stories are supposed to be making a theological point, but doesn’t that mean they are theology texts first, historical accounts second?

    Theology and history are not mutually exclusive. It’s akin to accusing a paper of being mathematics first, scientific experiments, second, or vice versa.

    Maybe not, considering that he thought mental illness was caused by demons (with hilarous consequences for 2,000 pigs).

    And it worked! And how do you explain the phenomenon that happened next? What is the expert analysis? Tell us doktor! Unless all you’ve got it lololololitdidnthappananyway!

  30. Swordfish,
    Maybe not, considering that he thought mental illness was caused by demons (with hilarious consequences for 2,000 pigs).
    Demonic possession:
    I can see why people who don’t understand it now, or didn’t then, might misplace mental illness for demonic possession. Did Jesus say that the demon went into the pigs? I believe the author said it was so. What did he actually see happen? i.e. he described the scene faithfully but as he perceived it.

    Yet I believe that good can overcome evil, that the presence of the Holy Spirit in whatever form can heal, encourage, comfort, calm and strengthen. That includes the spirit of truth among other descriptions of the Holy Spirit.
    It is warm and happy, not cold and callus. So driving pigs over a cliff, to me, sounds like there could be another explanation, animal sacrifice was rife at the time. So perhaps a misreading of events.

    I don’t believe that mental illness is the fault of the sufferer, any more than another physical illness. Clearly there are dangerous sports or behaviours that might lead to mental health problems, same for broken limbs or other, even mild physical disorders.

    Yet how to decide, if just like some other remembered accounts in the New Testament, they are describing the actual scene? Some are so literal as can’t be easily explained differently. Like the man who was cured of his blindness. Jesus did not blame his parents, It does sound like he literally used mud, but how it worked? so much for genetic defects ‘proving’ original sin.
    There’s not only one~/~other, good~/~evil in people as nobody is beyond God’s Grace, unlike the world, regarding forgiveness. Refusing forgiveness also destroys the bridge for ourselves.

    Mixture of both is in everybody.

    That is to miss again the entire point and another reason why fundamentalists are wrong with their hellfire ranting and behaviour.

  31. Americans eat Christmas pudding? Very glad to hear that, at least!
    I also love Glen Campbell’s voice, the other songs but that one’s one of the best ever written. Not easy to sing some of those notes and get the pitch so perfect. Voice of an angel.
    Classical gas…Thanks for that…Alexa…!

  32. I can see why people who don’t understand it now, or didn’t then, might misplace mental illness for demonic possession. Did Jesus say that the demon went into the pigs? I believe the author said it was so. What did he actually see happen? i.e. he described the scene faithfully but as he perceived it.

    You’d be wrong, Joy.

    Demons do exist. And while it would obviously be wrong to ascribe every issue to a demon, in this instance, it was a demon. Unless your understanding of mental health is so poor you think it could be cured as simply as what is described in the account without miraculous intervention. And that still doesn’t explain all the details, which would indeed be bizarre in any context other than what is explicitlu described.

    No, Joy. The author described the details correctly, not merely as he “perceived” it. The account leaves no other explanation other than what it says for any creative post-modern interpretations. It is inerrant as inspired by the Holy Spirit, which unfortunately fallen Anglicans like you heretically refuse to acknowledge so you can change morality to suit your conveniences.

    So please, don’t be an evil woman and claim the author was lying and putting words in Jesus’ mouth that He never said. Unless you or your adultery-loving Anglican cohorts were somehow there with your time machine, you, madame, are impressing no-one by putting your feelings over the objectivity of the text and levelling false accusations about others glazed over by your pride in your modernity.

  33. Tis best to use the actual Scriptures when in disagreement. If one party refuses to accept the Word of God as given to us, for the Bible is wholly inspired of the Holy Spirit, Who is true God, the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity, Who is fully able and Who does give to those He chooses, actual wording that He wants to be given to mankind, then there is not much point in carrying on, nor in name calling, nor in making judgments, but to pray daily for conversion as needed.

    Perhaps ask God for understanding and comprehension when reading the following Scriptures.

    Here is the demonic possession and deliverance scripture, which is also at Matthew 8: 28-34, Luke 8: 26-39.

    “1And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes. 2And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: 4Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. 5And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. 6But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

    14And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done. 15And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. 16And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine. 17And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts. 18And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him. 19Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee. 20And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.” Mark 5: 1-20.

    God bless, C-Marie

  34. LittleFishyfish stays losing, we stay winning!

    Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, recalled watching coverage of clinical trial results that indicated the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was 95 percent effective.

    “So many of us wanted to be helpful. So many of us wanted to say, ‘Okay, this is our ticket out, right, ‘now we’re done.’ So I think we have perhaps too little caution and too much optimism for some good things that came our way. I really do. I think all of us wanted this to be done,” Walensky said.

    “Nobody said ‘waning’; ‘Oh this vaccine is going to work, oh well, maybe it’ll wear off.’ Nobody said, ‘Well, what if the next variant, it’s not as [effective] against the next variant,” she added.

    Walensky, who was speaking at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, was tapped to head the CDC on Dec. 8, 2020, by then-president-elect Joe Biden. Three days later, U.S. regulators authorized the Pfizer jab. That same month, they cleared Moderna’s shot.

    Both those vaccines and the only other COVID-19 vaccine available in the United States, made by Johnson & Johnson, were initially promoted as highly effective in preventing infection from the virus that causes COVID-19. Pfizer’s was said to be 95 percent effective in preventing infection.

    “Vaccination is a critical tool in bringing this unprecedented pandemic to an end,” Dr. Robert Redfield, Walensky’s predeceessor, said in a statement before leaving office.

    “We know for sure that the vaccine is highly efficacious in preventing the clinical disease,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on CNBC around the same time.

    While authorizing the shots, the Food and Drug Administration acknowledged it could not determine how long the vaccines would provide protection.

    The vaccine effectiveness has dropped over time, and provides little protection against infection, according to data released after the Omicron virus variant became dominant in the country in late 2021.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-director-nobody-said-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-might-wane

    Fishy’s favorite fully vexxed at gunpoint Atheist State also continues its screw-up-ery.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-mandates-covid-zero-policy-shenzhen-people-desperate-food

    The U.S. Senate on March 3 approved a measure that would end the national emergency over COVID-19.

    The resolution passed 48–47 on a party-line vote.

    All Republicans voted for S.J.Res. 38, which would end the national emergency declared by President Donald Trump on March 13, 2020. All Democrats voted against the declaration, which has been extended twice by President Joe Biden.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-senate-passes-bill-end-covid-19-national-emergency

  35. Johnno,
    Two things,
    1, “i’m not wrong” is as useful as “you’d be wrong” with regards a convincing argument
    2, I never said that demons don’t exist. You read that into the comment. Never assume.
    The scripture says what it says, pick the translation. You are free to think I’m wrong in so far as you perceived the comment. That has no bearing on whether I am or not. I think you’re wrong most of the time. What would be lovely is if people would admit it when they are…so people could move on to better and more important things.
    There’s nothing unusual about being wrong by mistake, either, however there are some situations and areas where responsibility to check facts or know enough, is a vital prerequisite to even be involved in such a discussion.
     
    Hence, those who are of the more hard line and dogmatic element of the Christian spectrum will see wrongdoing as did the inquisitors, and as do some (here/online), in people having the “right” to engage in biblical reading, let alone “interpretation”.
     
    So it is useful for people to understand their interlocutor beyond just a caricature developed by & from group sourced internet buckets, like twitter. A dogmatist can never discuss with a liberal unless both sides are prepared to be the grown up. At least one side must, anyway.! It’s your turn soon, surely?

  36. Oh Yeah!

    He mentioned scandal on a par with Watergate … although what a Scot knows about Watergate is questionable … though the Dems were constantly bringing it upo so he knows it must be bad

  37. It took a while to find which “debate” rendered the argument about demons n pigs but hee is the actual passage, for the record and for those who ordinarily read the bible:

    5 They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2 When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
    6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”
    9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
    “My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
    11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.
    14 Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. 15 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. 17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.
    18 As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed begged to go with him. 19 Jesus did not let him, but said, “Go home to your own people and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” 20 So the man went away and began to tell in the Decapolis[b] how much Jesus had done for him. And all the people were amazed.

  38. Yes he was a member of that thereChurch of England.
    In revelations, which I don’t necessarily believe as so many say it’s not genuinely a proper bible book, *haven’t studied that yet, but skip that,
    assuming it is,
    While I was reading it the other day, i wondered what messages Jesus would have for the churches of today in their various forms.
    I’m thinking that it might serve churches well to see if their church is honestly making the same errors as those depicted in the section about the seven churches. `it serves a s a lesson of guidance.
    I doubt the Roman Catholic church gets a pass. No church does. Some have only just cottoned on since they developed a dislike of the pope. Henry VIII had the same problem.
    However,
    Babe’s soundtrack used organ concerto, perhaps there’s something in that.

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