In Which An Atheist Becomes Sputteringly Angry Over Theist’s Argument

In Which An Atheist Becomes Sputteringly Angry Over Theist’s Argument

Jerry Coyne took time from stroking his cat, I imagine, to spew bile (like those lizards) at The Atlantic for taking religion seriously. Old Jer (if I may call him Old Jer) called it “god-touting”:

I was surprised that The Atlantic, a publication I respect, would resort to publishing such ridiculous arguments for the existence of a god.  Brooks’s argument comes down to this syllogism (examples come from both me and Brooks):

a.) Science accepts a lot of things we can’t see directly, like quantum phenomenon, electrons, or the use of infrared radiation and electricity as ways animals use to detect their environment. Those phenomena have subsequently been verified, though science still is studying things we can’t yet verify, like dark matter and energy
b.) Similarly, humans accept a lot of things we can’t see—most notably God
c.)  Therefore, just as we shouldn’t dismiss the non-seeable phenomena of science, we shouldn’t dismiss the existence of gods.

Old Jer was so upset we don’t even learn the full name of his nemesis, but I can reveal it as one Arthur C. Brooks. Old Jer lumps him with authors like “Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Charles Murray, Ross Douthat”. That last one was meant to sting.

Our point today is that Old Jer is largely right to be incensed. And that we, dear reader, ought not to jump to support bad arguments just because they are on our side.

Brooks’s article is “Why You Should Keep an Open Mind on the Divine“. He opens by quoting some commie who didn’t see God lingering in low earth orbit. This non-sighting was, and I ask you to believe this, a convincing argument for atheism to many academics.

It is not irrational to believe in the unseen, says Brooks, because quarks can’t be seen, but scientists believe in them. Later Brooks says multivariate calculus is hard to graph (there is no lisp here, it’s graph and not grasp).

This makes scientific sense, too, because neuroscientists have shown that we can think in dimensions higher than those we can actually see. That itself constitutes a belief in an unseen—indeed, unseeable—reality.

Later still, we learn “Sharks have specialized sensory organs called the ampullae of Lorenzini”, which he meant as a kind of “Aha” moment. Then:

Similarly, we have no reason to believe that the world of science has exhausted the fields of material reality that are beyond our sensory perception. On the contrary, the most logical and rational assumption we can make is that we are surrounded by forces and entities of which we are completely unaware—and which are as yet undiscovered.

All true, but to a scientist it’s like hearing “There is an object hidden in this haystack, and nobody knows where it is, thus one ought to believe in God.” That’s how Old Jer heard it, anyway. Brooks does not help himself by next saying this:

All of this scientific knowledge would have been dismissed in the past as crazy fiction, primitive superstition, possibly even a sign of demonic possession. This fact should instill in us some humility about ideas outside current scientific understanding that concern things we can’t see but that others perceive as real and claim indirect evidence for.

God bless Brooks, I’m sure, but it’s easy to see how this sent Old Jer soaring. Scientific knowledge would have been seen by whom as crazy fiction? And why does that matter? I’m prepared to believe that those who preach multiverses are oppressed by demons, but Brook’s example leads to the strange inference that those who believe in (unseen) God are seen by some as possessed by demons. Which makes no sense.

Yet “Robert J. Marks, a professor of electrical and computer engineering at Baylor University, suggests that God (the Christian God, in this case) exists in higher dimensions than we can see”. A string theory of God? We can’t see all the dimensions of strings, scientists tell us, because they’re so tight, nor can see God because we aren’t equipped with the ampullae of Lorenzini.

Brooks only mentioned in passing Aristotle’s argument for the First Mover, which starts with what we can see and measure, and ends with proof God exists. The bones of that argument should have been dressed with some flesh, because that one can convince empiricists.

The best was saved for last: “A brilliant mathematician and statistician” (these things happen) told Brooks, apropos the space commie not seeing God, “It’s like saying Picasso doesn’t exist because he can’t be found inside Picasso’s paintings.” He ended there, but that should have been his beginning.

Old Jer does not treat Brooks gently. He was really unhappy to be dragged away from his cat. Which is why he committed his own Brooks-like blunder by saying “the lack of evidence for God compared to the evidence for scientific phenomena that we can’t see directly should start making Brooks doubt the existence of God.” And “When the existence of God likewise starts yielding to empirical study, then we can start thinking about Brooks’s claims.”

Well, see Old Jer, there was this man, maybe you heard of him, who a long time ago did the most remarkable thing, he—maybe you best put down the cat before I tell you the rest of the empirical truth.

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8 Comments

  1. Leonard

    But who in their right mind turns to The Atlantic for scientific discussion??

  2. Uncle Mike

    I’ve long favored the “What you see is what you get” argument. Because the more we look what we see is increasingly complex and improbable. That is, existence is so intricate it cannot have arisen by chance. Chance is not a cause, of course, and only exists in relation to order, and the order we observe is so incredibly finely woven it defies explanation, other than the explanation is God. You’d have to be blind not to see it.

    There are many other theist arguments, but that’s my favorite. That and 1 John.

  3. Cary D Cotterman

    I promise to believe in God when I see God. I don’t think I deserve eternal burning agony for that. Some Christians tell me that God feels otherwise.

  4. Jim Fedako

    Some may say he hypostatizes science. I say the opposite. Though I speak at length with science, it has never accepted anything, largely remaining silent, except when the other voices in my head speak softly.

  5. C-Marie

    Dear Cary D. Cotterman, God loves you. On purpose, with your whole being, receive and accept His Love for you, and see what happens in your heart.

    God bless, C-Marie

  6. McChuck

    CDC: You have been given an opportunity. You have vociferously declined it. You have made your choice, which is the whole point of free will. Choices lead to consequences.

  7. Uncle Mike

    Brother Cary, look harder. Everything you see reveals God. The complexity of your eye reveals God. The act of seeing, making light intelligible, reveals God. C-Marie is right as always. Lucky for you. Look harder.

  8. Johnno

    Well Cary, the problem is that before you see God we are all very certain you are going to spend your life doing a LOT of things that are going to really put you in a hot spot when you finally do; at which point the Divine Justice will require you to pay for your crimes for a very very long time, even forever, depending on how badly you have predisposed yourself to that disease called sin.

    It’s not so much how God feels, so much as how you’ll feel, when standing before Him, you’re likely still inclined to waste the court’s time with excuses and accusations at God, anyone, and everyone for conspiring to keep you from discovering the obvious.

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