Variant Panic & Lady Hormones Given To Men — Coronavirus Update LVIII

Variant Panic & Lady Hormones Given To Men — Coronavirus Update LVIII


This is for men who have sired children only. Ladies, avert your eyes.

This, the shortest horror film ever made, explains mask mandates, lockdowns, injecting female hormones to cure the coronaodoom (discussed below), everything.

Anybody who criticizes me for commenting on this video is judging me and attempting to impose their beliefs on me.

Update. See what I mean.


Remember how Texas allowing liberty was boldly predicted by experts to have doomed the state? Didn’t happen. Left column, lockdowns and mask mandates. Right column, liberty. The NY spike was the government “solution” of moving sick people into nursing homes.

There is no evidence anywhere—outside theoretical models—that lockdowns and mask mandates work. There is plenty of observational evidence they do great harm.

Below we’ll see that weekly all-cause deaths are dropping faster than women soldiers in battle. Nothing but good news everywhere—except from governments, that is.


This is the paper that caused Taleb to go into a closet and cower. He has been a shivering leaf since the beginning of this, barking at those not as frightened as he.

The latest panic is about “variants”. Would the vaccines work against these new horrors!?

To those who have never read about viruses before, when mutations were inevitably discovered for the coronadoom, they come as a shock, and became a reason to keep punishing and useless “solutions” in place. So that they can feel safe.

Here’s the paper.

Efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 Covid-19 Vaccine against the B.1.351 Variant.

This is the AstraZeneca vaccine, and B.1.351 is the South African variant.

The paper tells us this vaccine doesn’t do well against this variant. Which set off Taleb and other fearful. Yet here is a here is an explanation why the paper is good news.

Just over 2,000 HIV-free people in South Africa were given the vaccine or placebo.

First good news: “there were no cases of severe disease or hospitalization in either group” 3 weeks after the second dose. “No” as in none, nada, zippo. As in nobody had worse than a cold.

Results: “23 of 717 placebo recipients (3.2%) and in 19 of 750 vaccine recipients (2.5%)”, a total of 42 people, got no-treatment-needed coroandoom, “for an efficacy of 21.9% (95% confidence interval [CI], ?49.9 to 59.8)”.

Second good news: The infection rate is thus only about 3%.

First good news repeated: The mortality rate in this group was 0%. Hospitalization rate was 0%.

It’s true the vaccine did very little to nothing to protect against mild infection. Of the 42 who got the doom, 39 had the SA variant. Yet we immediately see that the SA variant is not that deadly. At least, it wasn’t in this group.

We also see that the vaccine efficiency is non-existent in this group. Which is good but not conclusive evidence it cannot protect against the mild SA variant. To be conclusive we’d need to do the same study in folks without the SA variant.

Recall that I said months ago the real-life efficacy of the vaccines would be lower than reported in their clinical trials. Because this always happens for drug companies one their creations are in the general public.

Third good news: low adverse events. Interruption But see this: AstraZeneca may have used outdated info in vaccine trial.

Two tables of adverse events are given in the supplementary appendix. Mild adverse events were just about equal in vaccine and placebo group. Major were about the same, with vaccine being a tad higher. E.g. Gastrointestinal disorders: 2 placebo, 4 vaccine. Injuries: same. Nothing terrible in either group.

As predicted by the non-fearful, this variant is milder than the original. Which often happens. True, the vaccine didn’t protect, but then it didn’t need to, since nobody got seriously sick.

Again, this means we should not use the metric “cases” to panic ourselves. “Cases” are only positive tests and are not a measure of illness!


We also saw last week the media reporting giving female hormones to men cures their coronadoom, or words like that. The reporting was based on this weak paper

Progesterone in Addition to Standard of Care Versus Standard of Care Alone in the Treatment of Men Hospitalized with Moderate to Severe COVID-19: A Randomized, Controlled Pilot Trial

Gist: don’t buy it; the evidence way too thin.

Here’s what happened: 22 hospitalized coronadoomers received standard care (SOC), 18 got progesterone with SOC, 2 were supposed to get progesterone but did not, but were left in progesterone group for analysis. Meaning any improvement they had would not be due to drug.

The drug was open label; no placebo. SOC was variable, and up to doctor discretion.

Later, 9 (nine!) control patients were moved to progesterone group because why not? These were left in control group for analysis.

Study time was 15 days. Best part is next.

The outcome was not in the least straightforward, and was this weird numerical scale. Which is obviously not linear, but treated as such. Yes, this mistake is made all the time, but that doesn’t excuse it.

Clinical status was assessed on a 7-point ordinal scale, similarly used by Goldman, as follows: 1. Death; 2. Hospitalized, on invasive mechanical ventilation or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO); 3. Hospitalized, on high flow oxygen devices; 4. Hospitalized, requiring supplemental oxygen; 5. Hospitalized, not requiring supplemental oxygen; 6. Not hospitalized, limitation on activities; 7. Not hospitalized, no limitations on activities.

What is the distance between “1” and “2”, and “2” and “3”? It is the same? Obviously not.

Result? “There was a 1.5-point overall improvement in median clinical status score” in the female hormone group, recalling 2 in the group were really controls and 9 in the controls were really drug group.

What do the results even mean?

There is nothing solid in this paper. It is far too weak to use to make any clinical judgments.


England has been leading the way in expertology. First we had the serially wrong, but never fired, Neil Ferguson and his forecast of 56,000 people dying per day of the coronadoom. Then we had their leaders believe the models, because those models were made by experts.

The models promised lockdowns and mask mandates would work, which of course they did, since they assumed these things. All models only say what they’re told to say. But England’s boss got the box, and it turned him into a shivering blob of jelly, unable to comb his hair or see a path to freedom.

Now we have even more experts with credentials in expertology saying “masks and social distancing rules could stay in place for several years until the world returns to normality”.

This is from a “leading epidemiologist”. Why is she “leading”? Because she tells the government what it wants to hear, and it wants to hear it can’t allow its citizens liberty.

It’s the leaders and easily frightened doing this. Some people rebelled. There were massive lockdown protests this past wee—in the UK and elsewhere. The police bravely responded by arresting many.

My favorite example of tyranny from that article: “The Metropolitan Police Service said it had made 36 arrests, most for breaching months-old virus regulations that outlaw leaving home except for a limited number of reasons.”

House arrest. “[E]xcept for a limited number of reasons.”

England slaps 5,000 pound fine on most travel abroad.

Lockdowns spread disease more effectively, which is why the UK has done so poorly. But they refuse to abandon their experts.

A vaccine so safe you need a barrage of propaganda to sell it.

It isn’t only in England, of course. Tyrants are everywhere. Michigan pizzeria owner arrested for ‘willfully’ violating ‘public health orders’.

Our litany:

There is no disease but coronadoom.
All deaths are coronadoom.
Bless the coronadoom, destroyer of worlds.


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Sources: daily tests, CDC official toll number one, number two (the old weekly file, now suspect). Deaths by age. Covid & flu. WHO flu tracker. All current as of Monday night.

Daily tests:

Tests are dropping, thank God. Not as quickly as I’d hope, but they’re still slowing.

Every positive test the media falsely calls a “case”, when it is only an infection with varying degrees of seriousness—and most are not serious.

Positivity rate of the tests.

Notice carefully that this is not dropping because tests are dropping. If anything, and all things equal, fewer tests mean larger positivities, because it’s more likely only the sickest are being tested. And, depending on the kind of test, those who are vaccinated might show as positive (antibody test, say).

This is a clear indication of the fading into summer we see every year.

CDC weekly ALL CAUSE death counts, or the Perspective Plot, from late 2009 until now. The late drop off is late counting: it takes up to eight weeks to get all data. We need to look at all cause deaths because we can’t quite trust the attributed COVID numbers.

The black line is deaths of any kind. The red is COVID. The blue line is flu+pneumonia (it’s the pneumonia that kills most flu patients). The blue is estimated starting mid year 2020 because CDC stopped separate reporting on flu. The suspicion is some flu and pneumonia deaths are being attributed to COVID.

Like last week, there is nothing but good news in that plot.

Here is the CDC deaths “involving” COVID.

The panic still grips many, but that is because they, quite insanely, look for “zero COVID”. This is like requiring “zero heart attacks” before allowing liberty. It is not sane.

Here is another way to look at all deaths, the week-of-the-year all-cause deaths. This is big.

Just like last week—go and compare!—look at those deaths plunge! This chart should amaze you.

You can see the black dots on the green line, which indicate the late counts. But before that, even with some late counts coming in, this is still low. Way low.

This is the fairest measure because there is no politics in it at all. It’s a body count and nothing else.

MOST IMPORTANT: the 2020 excess deaths are not all COVID deaths! They include deaths from the “solution” to COVID, too. Plus increased suicides, septicemia and other iatrogenic kills, cancers, heart attacks, and everything else due to lockdowns. Like car crashes, as we saw above. Plus, there were over 80,000 drug overdose deaths last year. This point cannot be over-emphasized.

Flu is still missing. Here is the WHO’s global flu tracker:

Flu is still gone the whole world over.

Here is the CDC official population mortality rates for the all causes other than COVID, and “involving” COVID (with and of; “involving” is CDC’s word).

                 Age     COVID OtherCause
1       Under 1 year 0.0000130    0.00560
2          1–4 years 0.0000018    0.00024
3         5–14 years 0.0000020    0.00015
4        15–24 years 0.0000170    0.00093
5        25–34 years 0.0000730    0.00170
6        35–44 years 0.0002100    0.00270
7        45–54 years 0.0006000    0.00480
8        55–64 years 0.0015000    0.01100
9        65–74 years 0.0036000    0.02200
10       75–84 years 0.0090000    0.05200
11 85 years and over 0.0240000    0.16000

You’re sick of hearing it, but no matter what age, there is at least about a 10 times or larger chance of dying from something else then COVID. If you’re under 44, the COVID risk is tiny. Our level of fear is in not in line with the actual risk for the majority of the population.

About masks in depth, see this article and this one. I am also working on a comprehensive article about masks. Hint: they do not work. Leave the Cult of the Mask.

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  1. John B()

    We tried watching Eastenders once back in the day when it was a “thing” (30? years ago?)

    Couldn’t get through the episode (nothing changes)

    Certainly looks like the “End of all things” for the Coronadoom

  2. Timely article by Archbishop Vigano – “If this pseudo-pandemic is a scourge, it is not difficult to understand what the sins are for which Heaven is punishing us: crimes, abortions, murders, homicides, divorces, violence, perversions, vices, thefts, deceptions, betrayals, lies, profanations, and cruelty. Both public sins as well as the sins of individuals. The sins of God’s enemies as well as the sins of His friends. The sins of lay people and the sins of clergy, of the lowly as well as the leaders, of the governed as well as those who govern, of the young as well as the old, of men as well as women.” See full article here

  3. Sheri

    “Lady hormones”????? It’s XX hormones (chromosomes, technically, hormones associated with XX chromosomes).

    Wow, humans are a stupid as ever. Bring back the gypsy medicine wagons. They had great entertainment and equally useless “medical” ideas.

    If you don’t count genocide of old people, most states came out equal. So if your blue governor killed with impunity, your mask mandates go on and on and on as a way to get rid of those pesky people who had the audacity to live past 80. Death panels.

    Actually, lockdowns appear to be the only hope of a free America and that’s a very dim hope. The only place we see any courage is in lockdown states. (South Dakota’s governor just kissed the LQBGASERHTOYSRAWRE movement’s nasty lips, appears freedom is dead there, too)

    Look, they PROMISED HIV/Aids variants and we never got them. I am still angry over that one. Trust no scientist ever.

    Yes, transgenders are DOOMED.

    Just declare yourself an illegal and you can do whatever you please. NO RULES. Easy peasy. You get a great hotel room and no Covid test!!!


    Jeff: The sin of stupidity is what we are being punished for.

  4. Ann Cherry

    Two messages stood out in the “Eastenders” propaganda clip:

    First, the visual message: the wise wokesters are both fit, attractive, breezy, well-groomed “people of color.” The “anti-vaxxer” is white, over-weight, sloppy, defensive, resentful, inarticulate, outnumbered, and sporting a bad hair-do.

    Second, the spoken message: as the scene opens, Mr. Well-dressed is downright giddy, having just received his second jab, and yet he tells us that awhile back, he was “hospitalized, unable to breathe” (from Coronadoom, we must presume), and he “wouldn’t wish that on anybody.”

    This begs the question: If he’s already had the Coronadoom, which gives him natural immunity (the very best kind), why did he still take the “vaccine”? Because he had to? Because he’s ignorant? To show that he cares? Because his country is full-commie now, and he needs to keep up his “social credit score” in order to buy, sell, eat, drink, or travel?

    In any case, mandatory “vaccines” will be much easier the next time around, thanks to this global partnership between government, media, and corporations. They are all of one mind, bundled tightly together now… like fascia.

  5. JR Ewing

    Drives me crazy to hear that “Flu has disappeared because the Covid mitigations are working!”

    No, flu has disappeared because we’ve quit looking for it and call everything with symptoms “Covid” now. I have heard from medical acquaintances that flu tests aren’t even ordered unless the covid test comes back negative. If you have symptoms and get an unreliable covid test, the possibility of a false positive isn’t even considered, it’s automatically labeled as “covid” and the possibility of flu is ignored.

    I genuinely wonder how many covid “cases” over the past year would have also come back simultaneously as flu if both tests were administered. We’ll never know and most politicians have no desire to know.

  6. awildgoose

    The vaxholes are just sharing the religious ecstasy of their sacred jab experience in an attempt to gain new converts.

    Covidism may be the dumbest religion of all time.

  7. John B()

    Ann … caught all the salient points

    … but where are the masks?

    What are they doing there in the first place? Lockdown? Curfew?

    You can’t help some people

  8. Whitney

    I’ve never seen the EastEnders before. That was my first exposure. I won’t be watching again. Luckily I don’t have a TV. Or Netflix or Hulu are any of the anti-white anti-christian propaganda that is pumped into our brains 24/7. Sometimes I do like to watch a movie but my cut off date seems to be 2006 because after that you have gay porn shoved in your face and every single media soiree. What I have been doing is building a library. Of books. Some of them I will probably never read but somebody’s going to because a lot of them are on the banned book list now. That’s My Hope anyway

  9. Simon Platt

    Six hundred weekly deaths per capita? Things really were bad.

    Or am I missing something?

  10. Dean Ericson

    “Or am I missing something?”

    You’re missing something.

  11. Dennis

    At a local park Sunday, 70 degrees and sunny, but still saw an inordinate number of Covid Cultists in face muzzles, even kids (probably the same kind of people who’ll buy their kids the new “Dr. Fauci” propaganda kid’s book). People are so brainwashed; it’s just disgusting to see. What a vomitous world this is.

  12. John B()

    aaah … Simon … it took me a bit to realize what you’re asking

    Yeah! 600 is massive 50 is massive … 1 is massive … .1 is massive … .02/week over a year would just about do it

    I just “assumed” PER CAPITA meant per MILLION

    Are the “TRY GUYS” the new “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy”?

    “Crab People! Crab People!”

  13. PaulH

    All of this ongoing corona-doom reminds me of the old Homeland Security colour-coded terrorist advisory system. The various levels were based, presumably, on some measure of real or suspected terrorist activity. Eventually, the alert level became lodged at “disaster imminent” because no one wanted to be responsible for lowering the alert/scare level. After all, what if something terrible happened while in the “don’t panic” level? Someone might lose their job. ?

  14. Rudolph Harrier

    On the, shall we say dissident?, portion of the internet I’m seeing videos posted of protests against lockdowns in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium, Romania, the UK, Portugal, and elsewhere. You can find some articles about these in the relevant countries, but largely there is an embargo about reporting on protests that happen in other countries. Expect twitter and youtube especially to crack down on these videos in the future since they break the narrative and are too visible there.

  15. PaulH

    Dean: I’d forgotten about the Doomsday Clock! On oldie, but a goodie.

  16. C-Marie

    “NO VACCINE OR MEDICATION IS 100% SAFE. SO TRY REPORTING REALITY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE GOAL HERE..?” (….partial copy and paste from Sheri’s comment above…)

    Well, for the murdered babies whose parts were used, definitely not safe!!

    God bless, C-Marie

  17. Joy

    Today, office for national statistics latest estimate for excess mortality all cause 111000

    out of 147 thousand covid deaths, estimated by the same source.
    which is different from the daily update we usually get, currently 126 thousand.

    Listen to the downing street briefing for proper information. Non satirical, non exaggerated, questions on the spot with no warning.

    Unlike Fauci.
    Today, ITV aired an update about Kate Garroway’s husband Derek. Called “finding Derek”.
    It is worth watching for those who still think the disease is a hoax. He’s doing pretty well so far. Better than I thought he would.

    Variants shnariants. The Kent variant b117 sounds like a road near me. It is the reason that our Christmas wave looks stepped. All the data shows that it is far more infectious and possibly more virulent but the latter was never the primary concern. It has been explained ad nauseam. Media anchors and Dr Fauci aren’t playing with a straight bat.

    one of the labels is,
    “N-501Y’. Was someone with a sense of humour making a joke?
    The wave you now see starting in Europe *the continent! is due to that Kent variant.

    Sorry to break it to some but the lockdown thing that worked for original strain proved ADEQUATE everywhere except in Kent. It is what started the investigation into what is going on. I’m stuck in the epicentre out on the marshes. Can’t go home. First Christmas I didn’t spend with my Mum. I always did, every year, even when I lived elsewhere. People here have given up a lot. It has surprised everybody, with only a few exceptions.

  18. JOy

    “news round up by lockdown skeptics’
    Is hoping to spread another lie about Chris Whitty and what he said Yesterday.
    If you want to know what’s going on then tune into the briefings and then see how they get twisted by sensationalist media and those trying to sell clicks
    I’ll find the part where he wa asked about the third wave “IN EUROPE”!!!! mainland.
    The bots are taking over the narrative now and they think they’re on the side of the angels!!!! the horror.

  19. Joy

    Chris Whitty commented on the current situation. The above ‘ping back’ contains blatant sophistry on the natter with regards who said what.
    He said, yesterday:
    At no stage did he say a third wave in this country us inevitable. He has said, previously, that a third wave around the world is likely and the numbers show that. So best you can claim is
    “The data is wrong”
    5:40 Chris Whitty:
    Latest graphs regarding death rate and prevalence of the disease in the general population”
    12:55 Patrick Valance:
    Immunity post inoculation:
    Long term outlook for the virus legacy and prevalence:
    Chris Whitty RE the European and worldwide “third wave” potential:
    Patrick Valance on worldwide efforts in vaccine development and interdependency:

    The vaccine is the route towards treating this decease ‘more like flu’ as so many misinformed skeptics cry, prematurely.

    From a direct source:

    Point is, a third wave affects everybody in the world, differently.

  20. Dennis

    “Third wave” panic (or is it fourth, or fifth?…I’ve lost count in most places…the “waves” are created by the PCR test-driven pseudo-pandemic charade continuing. Funny how, unlike every other virus known to man, this one comes in politically predicatable “waves” – such as Germany scheduling a strict 5 day lockdown precisely timed in advance to cancel Easter services! What an f-ing crock!)…but Whitty says!…he’s a believable regime and Big Pharma shill unlike Fraudci!…I obeyed the pointless and tyrannical rules like a good regime slave and couldn’t visit my mum at Christmas, so the whole world should continue to suffer lockdowns and choke on face muzzles forever….because…Kent variant…OMG we’re all gonna die!…Kent variant!…Whitty says…blah blah….

    Wake up already! It’s been over a year of this mindless, pointless tyrannical crap!!!! And Whitless has been proven wrong and caught in as many lies as Fraudci and all the rest of these wannabee tyrant scum.

  21. Joy

    Dear Dennis,
    I’ve not gone into the details of my activity during the last year for a variety of reasons. I would note though, that’ I’ve been more candid than almost everybody else here. With that comes the vulnerability of people taking advantage where they think they can.

    How irrational your response, and what you did with the comment.

    The point is EVERYBODY barring almost none have made sacrifices. Seems you have too, grudgingly? Who knows. I was speaking about the origin of the Kent variant, to which you’re in a tizzy.

    I find it ironic (myself) how often I seem to be so nearby when the troubles start in recent years. Even when I’ve tried to avoid it. Makes me think someone upstairs wants me to take my part. It’s just something I think about but you’ve made a federal case out of it.

    “Third wave” panic 
    I don’t really care what people call it. All viruses are waxing and waning all the time just like the temperature, light, socialism and many other things in life. The point is whether or not a deluge affects people in ways they’d rather avoid or not. That’;s where the debate really lies. It’s about freedom in all its complex considerations and quality of life as people see it.

    Merkel didn’t ask my permission before she took to the podium!
    They’re doing almost everything wrong in Europe. That’s the EU all over!

  22. Forbes

    I’m guessing those effeminate, limp-wristed boys are from media outlet Vox. Or BuzzFeed. There was a video clip a couple years ago from a similar bunch of high-pitched, whiney voiced male staffers at one of those outfits who had their testosterone tested, and they were all low-T. Shocking, I know.

    It seems, in the near future, the world will be inherited by permanent adolescents (should they survive).

  23. Dennis

    “How irrational your response, and what you did with the comment.”

    My position – quite consistent over the past year and validated repeatedly by the facts and actual data/risk of this ultimately banal virus – has been entirely rational (not that I’m an unqualified worshiper of “Reason” as understood by the Enlightenment to be the ultimate arbiter of Truth – but that’s a different matter) and sane in the face of global irrationality and insanity driven by flawed models, flawed testing, and paranoid fear-mongering shoved in our faces daily by media, politicians, and supposed “experts” (who’ve been proven wrong again and again in their predictions, models, and policy recommendations, etc., but are never called to account and never pay a price for it while the world suffers endlessly and needlessly).

    “The point is whether or not a deluge affects people in ways they’d rather avoid or not.”

    If by “deluge” you mean a supposed “deluge” of new “cases” (which we know are mostly flawed PCR positives that are meaningless in reality) of whatever latest variant…well, QED. This is precisely the kind of overblown fear-mongering I’m talking about, and as you demonstrated in another recent post about the “Kent” and other variants necessitating more harsh government measures to fend-off “mass death” and “overwhelmed health services” (I’m quoting from memory, but I think those are the phrases you used). There is no deluge, overwhelmed of health services, “mass death,” etc., and never has been, whether original or “variant.” Pure fear porn.

    The best thing the world could do now is simply stop talking about “Covid,” “variants,” etc – wake up, move on, and get on with life, just as we do every flu or cold season, and with every other virus or disease know to man. The world didn’t stop in 1957 for the Asian Flu or in 1969 for the Hong Kong flu – both more deadly than Covid, especially if you adjust the numbers relative to total global population at the time versus now – and there is no reason for this ongoing public policy catastrophe we’ve suffered for the last year to continue either, just one endless new panic “variation” and manufactured “wave” after another with no end in sight, not because “the virus” is so deadly or historically awful, but because people just won’t give up their fear and paranoia – I think they’ve come to like it and to love Big Brother and Big Pharma – and because of deliberate, destructive policy choices being made by tyrannical and evil scum in charge.

    Let’s check in on one aspect of how the overblown panic and paranoia working out for the UK in terms of overall public health and the NHS it has turned into its chief idol of worship since WWII:

    Well, at least those people with untreated lung cancer won’t die of Covid, eh? Clap, clap..we love you NHS! Please release some more dancing nurse TikTok videos!

    Look at that disgusting poster in that article link above. What vile propaganda, on a level of crudity not seen since the days of Mao’s Red Guards or Bolshie Stakhanovite agit-prop: “If you go out…people will die.” Utterly sickening. The British people of ’57 or ’69 wouldn’t have stood for this (nor would have most Americans or the rest of the world). Darren Beattie is right: The UK, and the Anglosphere in general, really are just viscerally repulsive these days.

  24. C-Marie

    Thank you, Jeff!! Great article! Archbishop Vigano teaches and understands with great clarity.
    God bless, C-Marie

  25. Joy

    Yes or no, Covid 19 is a deadly disease?
    Yes or no, before answering.

  26. Joy

    Ann and John b(),
    Everybody who has had covid is being invited to have a vaccine.
    Boris has had a vaccine. ..and so on. You both show your ignorance and if the scene you describe is as you describe I’d say they hit the nail on the head with their depiction of the skeptics, outside of the colour bit.

    Regarding our country is commie? I’d say America’s looking more like that.
    Far more rules and regs, more like Europe used to be before we left.

  27. Dennis

    No. Not particularly.

    If forced to give such a simplistic binary answer, then No; not “deadly” in the sense in which you and other promoters of the Covid fear regime mean, as in we should all be very afraid and fearful to even leave our homes or breathe freely anywhere without a muzzle – for years on end apparently, as we’ve entered year 2 CE (Covid Era) now with no real end to the madness in sight. SARS-COV2/Covid is no more deadly for the vast majority (99.98% or so) of people than countless other common viruses or illnesses, or things even, for which the world doesn’t not lose its collective sanity or vacate all personal freedoms.

    Yes or No, flu is a deadly disease?
    Yes or No, pneumonia is a deadly disease?
    Yes or No, diabetes is a deadly disease?
    Yes or no, hammers are deadly tools?
    Yes or no, cars are deadly?

    We can play this game for countless illnesses or things…almost anything or any illness/disease can be deadly in certain conditions, things used a certain way, etc…

    The only real questions to be asked with regard to Covid are (1) Has the draconian global response by governments, media, etc. has been justified and proportionate to the actual risk/deadliness of Covid?, and (2) Has there been any discernible benefit outweighing the very great harms to life, livelihoods, and liberty, caused by that very response in most jurisdictions versus those that didn’t respond in so draconian a manner? And the answer to those questions is, most emphatically: NO.

  28. Dennis

    “Ann and John b(),
    Everybody who has had covid is being invited to have a vaccine.
    Boris has had a vaccine. ..and so on. You both show your ignorance and if the scene..”

    Ah yes…those who understand you don’t need a vaccine for a virus you’ve already had – and which has an IFR in the range of ordinary flu in any case – are the ignorant ones! Good grief.

  29. Dennis

    “does not” that should say last line first full paragraph two posts above, instead of “doesn’t not”

  30. Joy

    NO, not particularly
    How do YOU define a deadly disease?

  31. Joy

    Dear Dennis,
    Everybody’s being offered a vaccine on the basis that length of term of natural immunity is not known fully on average or in individuals.
    It also cuts out the argument and complexity of fiddling about. Nobody is forced to have a vaccine.

    Natural immunity can be very limited in individual cases.

    Government is making decisions on two fronts, among all the others, *re the vaccine. Individual and mass population immunity. These, like test results are NOT the same and recognising that is basic.

  32. Joy

    Failure to recognise it could be advantageous though, for propagandist skeptics and mad conspiracy theorists.

  33. Dennis

    How do you define a deadly implement?

    Did you even read my explanation above regarding my response to your forced and simplistic, “Deadly, yes or no?” It is deadly for some – a very small percentage of people who come into contact with it – just as ordinary flu and other viruses and illnesses are, for some; for the vast majority it is no more serious than a common cold or flu.

    Life has risks. The real question, again, is one of legitimate and proportionate societal response to a rather routine virus with such a low level of deadliness.

  34. Dennis

    “Everybody’s being offered a vaccine on the basis that length of term of natural immunity is not known fully on average or in individuals.”

    Who cares what the “length of immunity is,” given the extremely low infection fatality rate in the first place! This is a prime example of the whole disproportionate response, obsessing about projected “unknowns” for something that is not a big deal anyway and acting as if this small potential risk justifies rushing experimental vaccines to market to begin with. And even those who’ve been vaccinated – after being told all year that mask etc. are only needed until a vaccine – are STILL being told they must wear muzzle, socially, distance, not travel not see family, etc. etc…Do you not see what is going on and what is being done to the world? That ass-clown Biden mugs for photos with Kamala with both muzzled-up despite having had vaccines. What are they doing? It has nothing to do with any legitimate health benefit at this point (not that masks ever actually did) – all theatre and a social control mechanism.

    The potential long-term side effects and risks associated with experimental mRNA vaccines (not merely speculative either, because there is a history of tests with lab animals – which is why until a few months ago mRNA vaccines had never been tried on humans) are far greater than risk form being exposed to the virus itself for the vast majority of people. To speculate about “length of natural immunity” etc, is just beside the point. As with “long Covid,” “length of natural immunity” is just the latest scare tactic mantra to keep the Covid fear regime (and Big Pharma vaccine conveyor belt) rolling along.

    And you keep saying well no one is forced…but many are still pushing for tyrannical vaccine passports, punitive, travel restrictions, restrictions on access to health care, even to banking, concerts, bars, restaurants, etc., if one refuses. The issues still at stake for liberty with the vaccine regime and other rules and regulations being implemented in the name of Covid are massive, and have never been higher in the decades since the fall of totalitarian regimes in Eastern Europe; and those measures are, again, simply unjustifiable in proportion to the actual risk of the virus itself. If you don’t understand what’s at stake, if you want to pretend all of what has been going on for the past year is justified by a virus – or variants now, they will never end either! – with an IFR in the same range as flu, then you are, frankly, just plain blind and unreasonable.

  35. Dennis

    “Government is making decisions on two fronts, among all the others”

    On the contrary, governments, and officials like Fraudci and Whitless, are making decisions by pulling sh*t out of their as*es, flinging it at a wall labelled with various “Covid response” options, and picking whatever it sticks to…only to repeat and reload whenever the public is getting tired or skeptical and they need to come up with something new to justify the continued Covid tyranny and fear regime.

  36. Charles

    Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine alone will generate more revenue this year than the annual revenues of any other drug ever, except top grosser Humira. Taken together, the various Covid-19 vaccines will generate three TIMES more pharmaceutical company revenue this year than any other pharmaceutical product in history.

    Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is a record-setting corporate product launch, generating more year-one revenue than previous year-one success stories including the iPhone, the iPad, and the Toyota Corolla.

    And the pharmaceutical industry will capture more revenue this year from Covid-19 vaccines alone than’s total revenue from ALL products combined in 2012 (after Amazon’s first 18 years of hypergrowth).

    Pfizer’s CEO tells investors that he expects the huge revenues from the vaccine to be ongoing. He tells investors that the population will be expected to get a booster shot every year.

    Amazing stuff! When the government, media, and corporations work together, they can generate FAR more revenue than corporations acting alone. It’s a business school case study for the ages.

    And meanwhile Pfizer’s haul from its new number one revenue generator is just a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions of dollars that have been printed and distributed to wealthy special interests over the past year. It has been the biggest wealth transfer in history, absolutely dwarfing all previous bank bailouts, etc.

  37. Dennis

    Re. Merkel and Germany above: Isn’t amazing how “The Science” must have changed drastically overnight! A supposedly grave nationwide health emergency – albeit not set to start for another 9 days from announcement! – necessitating another strict lockdown for 5 days over a Easter just vanished. Such a strong and principled leader – she’s a Scientist don’t you know! – lead purely by disinterested science and sound risk assessment, etc., rather than crass political power machinations, eh?

  38. Joy

    I’ve read the first line or so of each of your comments. I want to give proper consideration to what you’re saying so excuse me if I don’t reply straight away.

    I’m looking for where we agree. I’m not unreasonable and I’m sure you are not either. As mu h as I dislike Europe in general. If I were speaking to Angela Merkel I’d be doing the same thing and I’m sure you would too.
    Sp let me find a few elements of agreement.

    If we both care about what’s true, then there’s still room for some kind of positive outcome from this kind of discourse.

  39. Joy

    Dear Dennis, with regards to your question, yes of course I did. It’s when the personal attacks start and distractions *to which I am prone, that I have to take a bit of time.

    “Did you even read my explanation above regarding my response to your forced and simplistic, “Deadly, yes or no?” It is deadly for some – a very small percentage of people who come into contact with it – just as ordinary flu and other viruses and illnesses are, for some; for the vast majority it is no more serious than a common cold or flu.”
    So the answer was really yes. If binary, then the only logical answer was “yes”. I appreciate the abstract nature of my question but I’m trying to see where you really diverge from the views of those considered “mainstream scientists” (insert whatever pejorative you prefer). I’d be interested to your response in “2”.
    So if it is deadly, for some, cue the numbers and calculations…
    1. When all the dust settles on calculations even:
    IF, everybody were to agree on the method of collection, (validity/quality) etc, which I’m sure they would if they were only to listen to the source directly and not the “News”paper: *since bad playing and dishonesty can easily be ruled out for consideration).
    The real argument strays into value based judgements. Always a grey area and fraught with political, religious, emotion, indifference, based factors and so on.

    So I surmise that somewhere lower down in the rationale, (given accurate numbers and no foul play), You and I, would find a never ending discussion about something quite separate from the disease or the virus itself.
    Same goes for everybody on all sides.
    Can’t we just at least get some rough agreement about the numbers?
    Do you think that when influenza was new to mankind, that the outcomes would be far more devastating than they are today? Just YES or NO?

    Cheers, Dennis

  40. Joy

    I got “foul” right!

  41. John B()

    At the risk of showing my complete ignorance, I still have to ask?

    Where are the masks?

    For Eastenders, aren’t lockdowns and masks still mandatory in the UK?

    I understood that even IF ONE got the vaccine, ONE would still have to “mask up” because “IT” could still pass through one.

    THANKS? for that “If South Park produced a CVS vaccine ad” ad.
    That G*Y G*Y with his “G*Y CARD” can now run around UNMASKED?

    One who is ignorant wants to be enlightened


    His “beard” looked totally uncomfortable.

    I’m sure that was because “HE’S STILL HERE! LEAVE ALREADY!”

    Noticed he hadn’t woken up with his “beard” … totally G*Y

  42. John B()

    Oh Lord, I forgot about the chopped off end …

    “For the first time in forever, ALL MY FEAR OF DEATH IS GONE!”


    Why the continued abuse and abasement?

  43. John B()

    Joy … from the ignorant … ignorant comes from ignored

    Thanks for your response

    RE: Lockdowns in UK

    Not ignorant about Eastender clip:
    The old guy looks like he’s just “hanging out” defying “stay at home” orders

    RE: Masks in UK,Face%20coverings%20are%20not%20required%20in%20restaurants%20with%20table%20service,you%20leave%20your%20seating%20area.

    It’s on the shopkeeper to enforce the Mask mandate she’s IGNORantING herself

    Also… discussses masks and vaccinated

  44. Joy

    Johnby, sorry if I upset you for calling you ingore Ant. Alqays ignore ants unless they’re in your pants, which is a more serious problem in the UK than in the US, where we wear out “pants” on the inside.

    “This place is like, well gay!”
    I’ll deciphre your comment and now I’m forced to watch Eastenders?
    Goodness me.

  45. Joy

    “For Eastenders, aren’t lockdowns and masks still mandatory in the UK?”
    …An easy one before I look at the clip. *but I can imagine it and trust your witness to it.)
    Eastenders i work of fiction. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.
    However. If you’re walking outside you don’t have to wear a nask.
    Only in public indoor spaces.

    There’s something which is a big elephant, that nobody’s “noticing’, not Boris, not Briggs, maybe he hasn’t noticed, not anybody I’ve seen anywhere. I’ll enlighten you, as someone who’s managed parients and the public.
    We don’t want to spoil the magic, though.

  46. Joy

    Punctuation monster’s afoot. THEY were commas, not full stops.
    and Eastenders IS A Work……

  47. John B()


    I LIKE Johnby!

    Almost reminiscent of JoanByez (As opposed to the Walton’s Johnboy – I love the theme music)

    In fact when I’m being particularly snarky, I may go with JohnByEs (John B S? see what I did?)

    Hmmm … John B(S)? … rabbit holes …

    Like I stated earlier, we tried Eastenders when it came to America back in the late 80’s
    I think it followed May to December (or maybe the show where Penelope Keith got preggers)
    I pity you if you watch it

    The old guy looks like he’s just there to “chat up” the shopkeeper … STAY AT HOME, old dude
    no one with masks … Get the cops over there

    Cheers, Joy

    And yes! I question the efficacy of getting vaccinated after already contracting it
    (After a year, you’d think there’d be data on reinfections … )

  48. Dennis

    Charles: Astonishing numbers on the vaccine rollout (and some guy on CNBC was talking about the “biggest wealth transfer ever” thing on CNBC as far back as about May of last year…only worse now with 10 more months of insanity that still continues). Why…if one didn’t know better, one might think there was some sort of plan from the beginning, like some Event with a number attached to its name, or some global “Great Reset” or something going on…but, nah, that’s be a crazy conspiracy theory!

    Joy: “As much as I dislike Europe in general. If I were speaking to Angela Merkel I’d be doing the same thing and I’m sure you would too…”

    I’m not sure what “the same thing” means here. And I don’t dislike Europe (which I distinguish sharply from the EU, which is an abhorrent entity)…or even the UK (though its present culture and politicians are abominable). I love Europe, the true home and haertland of Western culture and Christendom; though perhaps I love Europe somewhat in the manner of Ivan Karamazov, who wants to go Europe and loves it despite knowing it is but a graveyard now, a pale shadow of its great past, but still the loveliest of graveyards…

    “So the answer was really yes. If binary, then the only logical answer was “yes”. I appreciate the abstract nature of my question but I’m trying to see where you really diverge from the views of those considered “mainstream scientists”…”

    Where I diverge? Because, again, the way “deadly” is used by the media, politicians, etc. (and the way you clearly mean it) in claiming to be saving us from a “deadly disease” is to imply some really historically unprecedented death rate and grave threat to humanity that justifies, indeed requires, such extreme and draconian response as we’ve had for the past year…something on par with 14th century bubonic plague, or even just 1918 Spanish Flu…etc…when it isn’t even close to either, and not even as bad as the 1957 Asian Flu or 1969 Hong Kong Flu.

    So no, if forced to chose in such an arbitrary binary way, again my answer is, “No, it is not particularly deadly, for the vast majority of people (99.98% or so). It is not historically unprecedented among flu-like respiratory viruses, is on par with ordinary flu in terms of IFR and total global deaths and does not come near justifying the response we’ve had from governments. Had there never been any exagerrated hype or giving it a new name (and its worth looking into the way the CCP – and its minions at WHO – manipulated the early hype as well; it is clear there was a well-coordinated campaign, which more and more looks like a deliberate combnination of psy-op & biological warfare), had we just had the usual reports that pop up every few years about “a particularly bad flu season this year,” hardly anyone would have noticed and life would have gone on as before as it always does. A real “pandemic” of a “deadly” new disease of unprecedented proportions would be blatantly obvious to all just walking out in the streets (we’d really see people just falling down dying like those phony early CCP vids last February), and wouldn’t require PCR testing (unreliable as it is) to tell people if they have an “case” (especially so-called “asymptomatic cases” which is a class of “case” newly invented for Covid).

    As I said before, almost every virus or illness, or even thing, is “deadly” in some proportion and in some cases. What the Covid cultists and obsessives want to try to force people to say is, “Yes, deadly…so, therefore all done in its name is justified.” The question here is of proportion and justified response. Covid, is nowhere near deadly enough to justify the collective government response (and endless media obsession and hype) that’s we’ve endured for the past year. Let’s be clear: That response has been not merely a mistake or miscalculation, but a great crime…the greatest collective crime against humanity ever perpetrated. The politicians (and much media as well) around the world responsible for what has been done this past year, and continues to be done, in the name of “fighting Covid,” deserve nothing less than to be charged with crimes against humanity and to be executed in the most painful way possible.

  49. Dennis

    Sorry for some typos above – hope what was meant was still clear. Need and edit thing here.

  50. Mark

    Briggs, in your cut-and-pasting of this series (which I don’t blame you for!) the “at least about a 10 times or larger chance of dying” statement has become inaccurate over time. It should be “at least about a 6 times…” now.

    Just so’s ya know’s.

  51. Joy

    I’m falling behind now
    I was going to say Johnbee or Johnbie until you noticed! That’s what I call you

    With my ol.d screen reader “Jaws” which was fantastic, he only made a few mmistakes but still got me in trouble.
    I though JH was a boy called “JHON” Kept wondering why soeone called john was not very John’ish. Briggs site used to say “‘Name’on DD/MM/YYY said”,

    quaking, (not quacking) at what you might have said next…

  52. Dennis

    “quaking, (not quacking) at what you might have said next…”


  53. Joy

    I read half way down the “deadly’ paragraph from the top.
    You’re wrong about Europe, wrong about the UK and wrong about me! Hatrick.

    Most of us think Europe’s like the imagination. it isn’t and never was. If you’ve never been
    You’d better not because you’d hate it in your current incarnation.

    As for the Deadly definition. Now you’re seeing where the real discussion ;lies. You seem to think your values are correct whilst others are wrong. Those kind of things are subjective at best, mostly.

    Regarding the term “deadly disease”. It’s not my phrase, that’s how it is classified. Not sure that’s even a UK definition either. Rather epidemiology takes into account that a disease is new or novel and so potentially a very grim reaper even if it’s known fatality rate is “small.” Those are the epidemiological facts. WHAT politicians or leaders decide to do is totally separate. Same with religious matters, actually. So it’s well to know who decides what when and why. It would actually save you a lot of blood pressure.

    Regarding the EU, it’s shorthand. I hate the EU with a passion put to use. Europe? there’s good and bad and nobody’s perfect but being English is close enough.

    RE your rose tinted American idea of Europe? I worked out you were one of those a while back. That’s half the trouble. A Washingtonian invention taught to children for decades has something to do with it. Born of convenience and geopolitical interests with a bit of Ireland thrown in for some fireworks.

  54. Joy

    What is the current number of deaths in the US from “Covid” by your reckoning?
    What is the fatality rate by your reckoning?
    for someone in their 90’s?
    Someone in their 40’s?
    Just so I get an idea of your numbers.
    If you’re not done with this discussion.

  55. Joy

    “Not even as bad as Asian or Hong Kong flu”

    Two points,
    That was the political reason it was named Covid 19 by the WHO. So that the Chinese didn’t get stuck with the label.

    So that ‘conspiracy’ is out there in the public domain and was from the start. If they’d asked me I’d have named it after the place where it started. There were some funny titles.

    The point about not even as bad is that “they” are trying for the outcome that it is NOT as bad!

    So inevitably, if it’s worse than expected, some will say,
    “Told you so”.

    If it is better than people thought others will claim
    “Told you so or insert other biased conclusion’.

    Thing is. Somewhere in there is the the really real truth..
    Patrick Valance said, (to prepare people) 20,000 would be a good outcome. That got twisted by both sides too! He was trying to make the public understand he was talking in tens of thousands.

    My insight on this is as someone with some medical, clinical background. There’s no room for alarmism in a health service, private or public.
    Since I know the very NHS from which Chris, Van Tam, emerge? I know they don’t exaggerate, are measured and never try to control by fear. That’s one of the better things about the NHS. We’re always trying to move patients through and be as cost effective as possible. Private provision has the opposite kind of problem, wherein you will find the more alarmist and invasive kinds of approaches. I’ve worked in both and know what I”m talking about. So if you think Chris is an alarmist you haven’t met one. He’s just the messenger.

    We have the A team over here. I love Boris!
    Rees Mogg? What do you think of him? Just interested…

  56. Dennis

    “If you’ve never been You’d better not because you’d hate it in your current incarnation.”

    I’ve been to Europe a number of times, spent my third year of undergrad at Trinity College in Dublin, a couple law school summers in Paris and Prague, etc.

    And of course Europe exists and is more than just merely an idea in imagination – though it is also the highest and greatest of ideas (See Christopher Dawson’s ‘The Making of Europe” and Denis de Rougemont’s “The Idea of Europe” and “The Meaning of Europe”).

    I do think, however, that it peaked in the High Middle Ages; been mostly a long slow decline – with occasional bursts of new brilliance here and there – since the age of the great Gothic cathedrals, Dante, the School of Chartres, etc. 🙂

    I’m well aware of the problems of Europe in its current incarnation (it saddens me deeply to see Europe’s once great cultures and civilization in their present state – especially since much of their current debased state is the result of a century or so of rampant Americanization, so deadly to all higher culture and aesthetic values)…hence my reference to Ivan Karamazov’s plan to go to Europe (curious how Russians of the time – and perhaps some even now – saw Russia as not quite being part of “Europe” somehow, so “Europe” was “elsewhere” even to them, who I’d consider unquestionably European):

    “I want to got to Europe, Alyosha…Of course I know that I will only be going to a graveyard, but to the most precious graveyard, that’s the thing! The precious dead lie there, each stone over them speaks of such ardent past life…that I will fall to the ground and kiss those stones and weep over them – being wholeheartedly convinced at the same time that it has all long been a graveyard and nothing more.”

  57. Dennis

    “What is the current number of deaths in the US from “Covid” by your reckoning?
    What is the fatality rate by your reckoning?
    for someone in their 90’s?
    Someone in their 40’s?
    Just so I get an idea of your numbers.
    If you’re not done with this discussion”

    You don’t need MY numbers (as I could even have such a thing)…just take a look at official CDC or other “official” numbers which Briggs himself has posted above (and many times before) and which are readily available elsewhere as well.

    Even the “official” numbers (exaggerated though they are because of well-known issues with PCR testing and the inflation of “cases,” inflated death totals attributed to “Covid”- whether due to malfeasance or mere negligence or incompetence in attribution and accounting may be debatable – etc.) tell a far different story than the one we are constantly being sold by politicians, health officials, and media – nearly all of whom, to reiterate, need to be shipped to the nearest holding pens to await transhippment to an international tribunal for crimes against humanity. 🙂

  58. Joy

    Dear Dennis, at least you’re smiling now.
    Obviously molly Malone had quite an impact on you?

    There’s your trouble. Trinity College Dublin. Say no more!
    You’re a classic case! That old notion of Europe is going down fast. Along with the notions of the precribed American “heritage”. It’s finished with the advent of the internet.

    Nothing wrong with admiring architecture, or art, or historical stories, true OR false.

    I asked for a good reason what YOU estimate as the numbers. Within an order of magnitude?
    It’s not a test. I don’t care what the CDC is saying for this discussion. I know too little about the organisation to know if it is trustworthy but I know the FDA is dodgy.
    Anyhow I wanted to know YOUR thoughts not someone else’s.

    (The CDC don’t know we’re having this discussion)
    …and Jacob Rees Mogg? Does off with his head too? Surely not!

  59. Joy

    Before you launch forth, I don’t say America’s going anywhere. To be clear. False notions about what happened in history and why.

    The “applied” Anthropology from the US, Russia, the Eu has to stopp.
    They’ve been clocked a while back so their number is up.

  60. Joy

    This is what happens when people don’t know their history;
    @ 2:30
    My favourite Catholic example who many should follow.
    If they were all like him I’d be one too.

  61. Joy

    And yes! I question the efficacy of getting vaccinated after already contracting it
    (After a year, you’d think there’d be data on reinfections … )

    Of course there is. For certain there’s an assumption that it will last but skeptics and sensible people want to see big numbers. The idea of having a vaccine when you’ve had it is not to prevent just you, but also to ensure “you” don’t carry the disease mildly or otherwise again to be a link in the chain. There’s also the point which seems lost on so many, that there’s the setting of an example by leaders who tell others what to do and don’t “do’ themselves, so multiple reasons, some not necessarily strictly scientific.

  62. Joy

    I haven’t watched the clip but surely you don’t think I watch Eastenders? Can’t you tell?
    Penelope Kieth? Are you making a joke? She wasn’t in Eastenders! She was in the Good life and To The Manner Born! Played the lovable stuck up neighbour.
    It has always been a dirgy programme.

    A nurse who I met explained that she was questioned at one point by social services when she signed on due to orthopaedic problems.
    She had to fill in a form or ask questions. They wanted to know if she watched Jeremy Kuyle Eastenders or another one I forget.
    Shen she asked why they wanted to know they said it’s a marker (they were using) for depression.
    They do know what they’re doing! The BBC.

  63. Joy

    Don’t recognies it even as Eastenders! it gets worse every time I see it. It looks like a “public info” thing for the easily convinced .

    You see it is the B, aye, emme, ee community, who are ‘vaccine hesitant’. If they run a transparent clip like that, it might help urge some into doing the thing. So, pretty much like all of BBC drama of all types since goodness knows how many years. I never watch TV propaganda fiction. I do know where Dr Who’s writer is to be found!
    Not sayin’ though.

    Essex are favourite haunts for the Eastenders cast. I had reason to work with one once and was amazed that there was actually evidence that ‘they’ were acting! One tends to think they’re playing themselves!
    Apparently cat, not the one I worked with, was once in Eastenders, used to live down my road in Wanstead. Not any more.
    Comic relief often benefits from Eastenders as does the alternate children in need charity, so the network’s probably been triggered to write in some lines in for brownie points.

    Do watch “finding Derek though” That’s not fiction.

  64. Dennis

    Well, like most Americans I’m a sucker for British accents and amusing excerpts from the House of Commons! Even the voice on my GPS is set on the British woman – so soothing taking driving directions from the nice lady with the lovely British accent 🙂 [Though I’d choose a northern Irish accent if that was an available GPS option…knew a nice girl from Derry years ago in Dublin and that accent just slayed me…but I digress. And I don’t even have any Irish family heritage!]

    But if Rees-Mogg voted for lockdowns and face muzzles, then I’m afraid he’s off to the Covid Crimes Tribunal as well!

    “You’re a classic case! That old notion of Europe is going down fast.”

    Perhaps. And that’s what’s so sad…so many Europeans these days seem to have less love and concern for their own heritage and culture than Americans like me. I think I was born in the wrong place and the wrong century. Is it possible to feel nostalgia for a time and place in which one never lived? Like Alfred de Musset’s Rolla, “Je suis venu trop tard dans un monde trop vieux” (I have come too late in a world too old).

    Not sure what you mean by “applied anthropology” or which supposedly “false notions“ of history.

  65. Dennis

    As for infection fatality rates, since there are so many readily available public sources I don’t know why you are so hung up on “my estimates,” as if I personally sit and process data and crunch numbers all day. Here’s a handy recent chart, picked basically at random, by incremental age groups:

    Nothing remotely worrisome – hardly more serious than a “bad flu year” (I’m fact, for some of the younger age groups I’ve heard flu IFR may actually be higher than Covid) – on average that justifies the draconian and disastrous public policies we’ve seen in the past year (Especially destroying a year’s worth of many kids’ education, since kids are practically immune to serious illness from Covid – even worse to force them to muzzle or enter “Covid bubbles” to play instruments, etc), until about age 75. But people in that 75+ age group are same people, usually with various co-morbidities or other chronic illness, who are also vulnerable to ordinary flu and many other ailments as they age. That’s life.

    But we don’t shut down the world or force everyone to wear face muzzles because some older people might be more vulnerable to one particular respiratory illness. Those who are paranoid or feel particularly vulnerable to the latest flu-like bug should go ahead and take precautions or stay home forever if they wish, but the rest of the world should get on with normal life. I saw an article today in Bloomberg saying we should prepare for several more years! – because of “variants” of course! – of masking, distancing, periodic lockdowns, etc. Utterly insane! This just cannot go on like this much longer. Frankly, I’m surprised more people haven’t completely snapped in drastic and deadly ways everywhere, especially in the US.

  66. Joy

    Maybe you’re right about living in the wrong time. It’s sure to be a rosey way of looking at the grass being greener somewhere else. The Society for Creative Anachronism is big in the US. Maybe you could work it out of your system! With the past comes some of the evils which we now take for granted as being a thing of the past. I hate change, especially for the sake of change.
    “…so many Europeans these days seem to have less love and concern for their own heritage and culture than Americans like me. I think I was born in the wrong place and the wrong century. Is it possible to feel nostalgia for a time and place in which one never lived? Like Alfred de Musset’s Rolla, “Je suis venu trop tard dans un monde trop vieux” (I have come too late in a world too old).”
    Well your assumption is unduly pessimistic with understandable reason, although tainted by the way you feel, along with a lot of others. THAT is part of the ploy by the globalists and those trying to divide and conquer. Don’t let them break your spirit.
    Keep listening to the nice lady, I’m sure you CAN get a Northern Ireland accent. Since you can get Bart Simpson and a load of others. It might spoil the magic though.
    It’s well to digress as much as possible in a war of attrition. Which this is.
    Keep the endorphins flowing. You’re going to need them in order to hold the truthful line against toxic swamp monsters who live all over the world.
    Re nice voices:
    I’m thinking someone on the telly who “works it’ to the max is Julia Chatterly, from CNN. She’d be teased in the UK for talking like that! Remember the M and S advert? Probably not, never mind.
    Re Europe though. I happen to know that each and every country has, not surprisingly, its own version of the Brexit party. If you thought the Italians, for example, or the French, were less nationalistic than the British? You’re thinking wrong. It’s not over yet by a long way, even our ‘battles’ here are only just beginning. These things take time. Shame you think the wrong ones are in charge but that’s another matter. I think they’re the A team.
    Re people caring about their country? Clearly it’s the globalist agenda to destroy borders. If the inmates of any country are relative strangers to the land, or very young and misguided, they are playable enough to sway or lead into thinking world governance is a good thing. Ancient wisdom shows this is not the way to proceed. I take heart from that.
    The EU will implode. The truth will win because it can’t do anything else.
    I wonder if architecture might suit you better than law?
    You don’t seem right for “law”, what do I know, I think lockdowns reduce spread!
    “Applied anthropology” is the name I give for the “softer power’ of academic and deliberate dismantling of a country’s social fabric or that of a tribe. We are all basically tribal, in a sense. Some evil social engineers have it worked out and for entirely piggish reasons.

  67. Joy

    C. Marie,
    The astra Zenica vacine is available at cost for all, not including the countries which will be donated with free vaccines. Hence all the Geo-politics. This pledge was announced early last yer by our health secretary and was decided separate from any intergovernmental pressure or WHO type directives.

    One interesting thing about the African nations is that due to the fact they have a smaller elderly population and the geography increasing the Ultra violet exposure, such nations, outside of a change in the virus itself, was not so likely to suffer high rates of mortality in the way that northern hemisphere, western developed nations would.

  68. Joy

    “…were not so likely…” and other corrections…

  69. Joy

    Dear Dennis,
    I would rathe you commit to your estimate. Why is that so hard? From all you have absorbed and learned? That you don’t see why doesn’t mean there’s not a good reason.
    This was the part of your comment from which the rest fo the assumptions follow.

    ‘Nothing remotely worrisome – hardly more serious than a “bad flu year” (I’m fact, for some of the younger age groups I’ve heard flu IFR may actually be higher than Covid) – on average that justifies the draconian and disastrous public policies we’ve seen in the past year (Especially destroying a year’s worth of many kids’ education, since kids are practically immune to serious illness from Covid – even worse to force them to muzzle or enter “Covid bubbles” to play instruments, etc), until about age 75. But people in that 75+ age group are same people, usually with various co-morbidities or other chronic illness, who are also vulnerable to ordinary flu and many other ailments as they age. That’s life.”
    What are the figures for a bad flu year in the US? Or even an average one? Then I’ll tell you what I’ve gleaned as a reliable number. (Since I didn’t collect the date!)

    One can’t proceed into what should be done if basic estimates aren’t ironed out as roughly agreeable.

    The last part of your comment regarding co morbidities is not correct. Regardless of HOW virulent or not the common influenza virus is, a new virus poses more of a. Threat in health management and an unknown than does the flu. Even I you take a utilitarian approach which skeptics appear to do,
    Non intervention is not an option anybody sensible wanted to ;pursue.
    Elderly people are not vulnerable in their thousands to c common flu. Most or all have had the flu in their lifetime and or had flu vaccination. Their system has already some recognition of the virus. The older the patient, the more frail their immune system as with most things. It is by no means a foregone conclusion to assume that nothing can be done. In the same way as in other health matters of all kinds. That approach is not the medical approach.

    There is also the fact that there is unpredictability with the virus because it is not the flu! It’s fallacy ious to think it can be managed in the same way with the same outcome. It’s a separate virus.

    Yet another consideration is the fact that like with many or all viruses, there are long term effects and those outnumber those of flu by a long way. No doubt due to the fact that the disease is so new to the human body.

    Anyway, I still want your estimate.

  70. Joy

    Re: average flu year in theUnited States according to our numbers:

    @ 6:10 for a couple or so minutes.

    But see the block graph where the estimates are given for the US
    Is he lying?
    Is he misinformed?
    Is he telling the truth?

    There are “google pages” claiming that this is the sort of figure for every 1 million poplin the US. That could account for some of the unhappiness.

    Chest infection is not = flu. There are blood test for influenza. NOT necessarily carried out to confirm the type of chest infection. This would happen as a matter of course on ITU. Many o most elderly people do not end up on ITU when they die.
    I hope this is clear enough. The number of flu deaths on average in the US cannot be a matter of opinion.

  71. C-Marie

    I am familiar with the points made regarding the people of Africa.

    Whether abortions were yesterday or fifty years ago, these vaccines still involve the murders of babies, and acceptance now of the use of these babies’s cells, will continue encouragement to research to continue using them.

    Actually soo very, very sad, that the many of the UCSSB and other Bishops approve this usage.

    No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells.
    However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production.
    But it’s important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue.
    Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.
    Vaccine makers may use these fetal cell lines in any of the following three stages of vaccine development:
    Development: Identifying what works
    Confirmation: Making sure it works
    Production: Manufacturing the formula that works
    When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for emergency use, neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines during the development or production phases. (So, no fetal cell lines were used to manufacture the vaccine, and they are not inside the injection you receive from your doctor.) However, both companies used the fetal cell line HEK 293 in the confirmation phase to ensure the vaccines work. All HEK 293 cells are descended from tissue taken from a 1973 elective abortion that took place in the Netherlands.
    The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a bit different. It is an adenovirus vector vaccine. (Adenovirus is the virus that causes the common cold. The virus in this vaccine has been changed so that it does NOT cause illness.) With this type of vaccine, a carrier, in this case adenovirus, acts as a delivery vehicle. The adenovirus has had the coronavirus spike protein added to its DNA. The adenovirus carries that genetic material into your body, delivering its modified DNA to your cells. Your cells will then make the spike protein, activating your immune system. Once activated, your immune system creates antibodies to fight off the spike protein. Learn more about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
    To make their virus vector vaccine, Johnson & Johnson infects PER.C6 fetal cell line cells with adenovirus. All PER.C6 cells used to manufacture the Johnson & Johnson vaccine are descended from tissue taken from a 1985 elective abortion that also took place in the Netherlands.?They use this cell line because it is a well-studied industry standard for safe and reliable production of viral vector vaccines.
    None of the COVID-19 vaccines in development use fetal cells taken from recent abortions.
    God bless, C-Marie

  72. Joy

    Dear C Marie,
    So what is your objection? After all that?
    Just to bring up the subject of abortion again?
    Your point reminds me of the animal fanatics who won’t use products from certain companies because they claim that they were involved in experiments on animals.
    However almost everything you use has previously been tested so those claiming virtue points for not doing so are riding off the backs of everybody else.

    As for elective abortion in the 1970’s, it is interesting that although those babies can’t be brought back after fifty years??????? But someone’s still claiming that no good must come from use of the preserved tissue.

    As to the companies you mentioned. My point was actually about the AstraZeneca vaccine.
    The Chinese vaccine is developed in yet a different way.
    There are about five different “methods” and dozens of vaccines.

    There’s a lot of geopolitics and interested parties. I don’t think the abortion debate has any sway in either direction. Maybe it’s cathartic for some to talk about how far back the research goes that involves aborted tissue.

    Jehovah Witnesses don’t believe in blood transfusions!
    The Amish won’t use anything or take part in anything that is considered “of the English’ to coin a phrase but all bets are off when they become ill. It’s straight to the hospital.

  73. Joy

    With respect to the people of Africa, the point was nothing to do with abortion or vaccine.

    A population is as vulnerable as the shape of their demographic. That point is rarely made when media wants to make a geopolitical point about international comparisons . They’re always relying on people who don’t understand to pass on the message, hopefully on social media, where misinformation thrives and egos are rewarded for telling lies.

  74. Joy

    Dear C Marie,
    Scrub all of the above if your Africa point was not in response to my Africa point.
    That’s why it’s helpful to put a name at the top. I understand people are too proud to do this. That’s my guess.

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