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The Five+ Waves Of COVID Explained; Vexxination Tyranny; Why They Stopped Reporting Deaths; More! — Coronavirus Update LXXXI

Our Global Rulers’ Motto: Science created the coronadoom, and Science will cure it. Trust The Science!

Do not miss the last and most important section this week. It explains the FIVE waves of COVID we have seen. And the more we will see.

GAIN OF LETHALITY

They have not stopped conducting gain-of-lethality experiments. Trust The Science!

Several people point us to this podcast: KunstlerCast 347 — Chatting with David E. Martin About Covid-19, Vaccinations, and Other Mass Casualty Events. You will hear in Martin’s voice, I hope, echoes of our voice.

Start, if you are short of time, at about 22 minutes. You will hear how the spike proteins the mRNA vexxines make your body make are not the same as the spike proteins the coronadoom itself makes, but constructions based on models, which were themselves based on models.

It’s models all the way down.

That podcast backs up the information in this one, which many have also sent in. (Sorry, I’m overwhelmed with emails at the moment as I was on vacation.)

And this one, which is from the FDA. Freeze slide 16 (our title image today; also below) from 22 October 2020.

VEXXINE PROPAGANDA WORKS

Golly.

So I’m listening to the radio in mid Michigan. Not a leftist or woke station by any stretch. The morning show features crop reports, soy bean and corn prices. Older folks—nice honest folks, by the sound of it, on what’s considered a conservative station—are calling in mystified about “vexxine reluctance”.

They say things like, “I don’t understand why people don’t get vexxed. It’s not if they will get COVID, it’s when. And when they get it they’re going to die.” More than one of these nice people is ready to become tyrant and force vexxination.

A whole crop of sincere people are convinced that everybody unvexxed will eventually die from this disease. Not get infected and have a mild, or less, illness—but die. To them “cases” are people all but in the grave.

None had any idea of cost-benefit trade offs, especially in the young, nor had any heard a discouraging word about vexxine effectiveness. One sweet lady said kids are “now” getting the disease, with no understanding that the worst of it, which was never bad, for kids is over. Even with the Dreaded Delta (see below).

Well, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: propaganda works.

We never would have had a pandemic were it not for constant, loud hectoring from our rulers and their servants, the media. People would have died, sure, but probably fewer, and with less damage to our lives.

EXPERTISM = TYRANNY

A key facet of the leftist mindset is that once a leftist convinces himself doing some thing is a good idea, he thinks that not only should he do the thing, but that you, too, should be required to.

Witness this drive to forcibly inject chemicals into you—for your own good:

This Connolly thinks it well to have himself vexxed. He, having the tendency to tyranny all leftists do, therefore thinks you should be made to, too. He, along with the effeminate Macron, believes you should be starved into submission—for no man in France, after 1 August, will be able to buy or sell without the Mark of the Vex.

Connolly the Tyrant believes it is your duty to be vexxed, arguing that if you are vexxed you are “protected”, and if you are not vexxed, you are unprotected. And that you have no right to be unvexxed, because, being unprotected, you could become infected and in turn infect somebody else who is unvexxed.

To which the best rebuttal is So?

If I choose to be unvexxed, and the vexxine is cost free and protective, then it is my choice. If I go on, after being infected myself, to infect somebody else who has chosen to be unvexxed, what is that to Connolly? This will not affect him in any way. Yet he would still force us to do what he thinks best.

“No, Briggs, you don’t get it. The unvaccinated are infecting the vaccinated.”

That so?

“It is so, yes, you dangerous spreader.”

Then why get the vexxine?

“But Briggs, if you get sick, you have to go to the hospital and be taken care of. That costs society.”

If I take the vexx and get sick from it or even the COVID, I’d have to go to the hospital and be taken care of. That costs society.

We expect tyranny and madness from our rulers in these days. What galls is people and Experts who promise medical passes will stop with coronadoom vexxination passes.

Imagine having to carry papers with you everywhere at all times, and for the rest of your lives everywhere at all times, to show that you have had the coroandom vexxination. Plus the twice yearly forever and ever boosters.

No papers? No problem! No food for you!

VEXXINE EFFECTIVENESS

I reminded us last week that we predicted last December that advertised rates of vexxine effectiveness would fall to soberer numbers. We now have multiple reports of falling effectiveness. Recall—strain your memories—the efficacy was given in terms of infections.

We should have though this odd from the beginning, because the mRNA vexxine is not meant to protect you from contracting infections, but it was said it would protect in preventing illness from infections. If it works as advertised, the vexxine makes your body produce similar spike proteins the bug does, and your body, if it can do its duty, figures out how to quell these spikes. But it never gets the chance to figure out how to quell the bug itself.

Not all bodies can handle the artificially injected toxin makers, which is how serious side effects come about. This is a forbidden topic, which is how you know it’s The Science.

I therefore predicted (see bottom of this) the experimental efficacies, which were in the high 90s, would drop to soberer levels.

Which is why you must not look at “cases”, i.e. positive tests, which have zero information about illness extent. (How many times have you heard that?)

Well, it’s happening. People are beginning to notice. Not in those places that mandate The Science. Israel, at least, is admitting it:

The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is “weaker” than health officials had hoped, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said on Friday, as over 1,000 people tested positive for coronavirus and more countries were added to the list of places to which Israelis will be banned from traveling.

“We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less,” Bennett said.

The Dreaded Delta, of course. But we have worked ourselves into the hersterical mindset that all “cases” are bad. Which, for a respiratory virus, is crazy. I mean this word in its literal sense.

“Cases”—which are just positive tests in an increasing testing regime—are not that interesting. Notice that the media everywhere stopped reporting on deaths? That picture shows why.

The media can’t help by shade, obfuscate, temporize, cheat, finagle, and, yes, even lie. Well, they are told to by their bosses.

Here is what we need: infection and death numbers for those vexxinated and those not, by variant. Our Experts are reluctant to give this out. When asked, the regime said dissmissively, “Why do you have to have that information?”

No, really. They said that. Well, that is how The Science is done these days. It is commanded from On High.

And then we have the CDC making the “honest mistake” of doubling (the halving) the recorded deaths associated with the vexxine.

See what I mean? “Cases” aren’t illnesses!

CULT OF THE MASK

They’re trying to get it back. They’ll succeed, too, unless you revolt. Which most of you won’t.

SANITY ISLAND

Headline: DeSantis: Schools, feds won’t mandate masks. If they do, he’ll have Legislature ban them.

As Florida schools return to in-person learning next month and COVID-19 cases surge, Gov. Ron DeSantis doubled down on his opposition to mask requirements Thursday, suggesting he would be willing to call a special session of the Legislature to outlaw it if the federal government imposes a mandate or local school districts defy him.

“We look forward to this upcoming year to be a normal school year, be in person, and live like normal and learn like normal kids,’‘ DeSantis said at a news conference at Indian River State College. “There’s been talk about potentially people advocating at the federal level, imposing compulsory masks on kids. We’re not doing that in Florida, OK? We need our kids to breathe. We need our kids to be able to be kids.”

The governor’s remarks immediately drew a rebuke from White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, who said the comment “puts kids at risk.”

It would be unfair to call Psaki a liar, given no kids are dying of the coronadoom. And she is just a mouthpiece. But we may call her a sad creature. I hope and pray for her soul she doesn’t have the intelligence to know what she is saying, for if she does, then she is a liar.

YOU CAN NEVER BE FIRED FOR BEING WRONG IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION

Ferguson’s record is below dismal. Yet, like that camera whore Fauci, there he still is. Whereas, obscure bloggers who get things factually correct will…Anyway, this:

What was that about wait two weeks? Wait two weeks for what? Deaths? Not forgetting “cases” are bullshit, driven by testing (proved, again, below), here are the attributed UK deaths:

The Dreaded Delta variant panic is proving to be, as we here knew, yet another needless panic. More proof of that is next:

Speaking of asinine Expert forecasts:

The only thing worse than super-exponential is, of course, super-duper-exponential.

Speaking more of asinine Expert forecasts: Govt modeller: What our Covid forecasts got wrong.

Speaking of asinine Expert “solutions”:

You really have to wonder what goes on in the mind of an Expert who said, “You know what. Let’s ban couples from eating in cars. Let them eat at home instead. That will make ‘cases’ go down.”

The entire structure of the university system the world over needs to be scrapped and redesigned.

BOOK

The Price of Panic.

Website of similar name: price of panic.

“CASES” VERSUS TESTING VERSUS DEATHS

I’m switching up the pictures this week to make a point about testing and “cases”. And also to highlight something that is a bit unusual about the coronadoom.

First, here are the weekly all-cause deaths, from 2009-2021. The ending drop off is late counting. The dashed line is all-cause minus COVID deaths. Seem low to you, this line? People died, all right, but COVID deaths were over-attributed, which is a second point we have been making all along.

See the peaks EACH AND EVERY DAMNED WINTER REGARDLESS OF BEST EXPERT EFFORTS AND VACCINES? Why, O why O why O why did anybody ever think they could make this go away?

Did somebody say over-attributed?

Now to the main point. Testing is driving “cases”, but deaths aren’t especially following, just like in the UK.

Here is the daily testing (in blue; left y-axis) and 7-day attributed deaths per 100,000 (in yellow; right y-axis). Source. I wish these were weekly or even daily deaths because of the built in lag in running means, but let’s work with it.

It’s clear in the first wave, testing did not reach ridiculous levels. Deaths occurred (albeit over-attributed). Testing peaked in winter in the second wave panic, and then peak-plateaued in the spring even as deaths dropped solely because of media- and ruler-induced panic. Testing began to fall with deaths in early summer. But then the Dreaded Delta panic began, and testing shot up again. Yet deaths, as in the UK, aren’t cooperating.

Here’s the same two pictures as in the UK, but from the CDC. “Cases” and then attributed deaths.

The first “case” wave peak was in April 2020, when the pandemic began. The second was end of July. The third was winter, as expected. The fourth was again in April (now 2021) and the fifth is in July 2021, like in the UK.

“Cases” are not illness most of the time. “Cases” are part illness, part medical, but mostly a whole lot of social testing panic. For illness, let’s look at attributed deaths.

The same five peaks are there. The secondary April peak, now seen for two years, is just like with flu. We get the main bump in winter, following by a smaller one in spring. What’s unusual about the coronadoom is the July bump.

We get those because whatever is going around is different than what used to. But as we get used to it, the bumps fall.

It’s already clear this year’s peak will be smaller than last years—ignoring, of course, all forecasts from Experts—just as April’s peak was smaller this year than last’s.

This is all because those most susceptible died off first (harsh, but true), and now the doom is turning into the usual cycle of respiratory bugs we face—and will always face, despite even the earnestness of Experts and government. Why they are pretending COVID will go away, especially in our Enlightened southern hemisphere, I leave to you to explain.

DO NOT FORGET FLU HAS DISAPPEARED SINCE COROANDOOM HIT. Which means some of these deaths are flu or pneumonia miss-attributed.

This is why we must always look to all cause deaths, where we can see what’s really doing on. See anything worth panicking about? No? Then tell everybody you know.

Here are the week-on-week all cause deaths. See anything to panic about?

Here are the CDC’s weekly attributed coronadoom deaths. See anything to panic about?

(See last week for data sources.)

FUTURE WAVES

Prepare yourselves. There will be a new wave of coronadoom in the fall leading into winter. And more next year. And so on forever. Just like flu. Just like other coronavirus-caused illnesses (common cold). Respiratory bugs spread with the routine changes in behavior, and that is caused by routine changes in weather, work, and so on. (And don’t forget these waves shown in the US are for a huge country which has predictable regional variation.)

The Zero COVID mindset is hubris married to arrogance hitched to ignorance. It is effeminate policy embraced by both frightened and greedy rulers.

If we ever are allowed to see the return of flu, we will subsequently see more fall of coronadoom. The Experts will say it is all their doing. Nature is responsible for nothing. They rule all.

HELP A GUY OUT

I was disappointed to learn I did not make the Deplorable Dozen vexxine misfinformation spreaders, as classified by the woke Center for Countering Digital Hate.

That means you, the reader, have to do a better job of spreading my hate around. Let’s build back better.

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  1. “I was disappointed to learn I did not make the Deplorable Dozen vexxine misfinformation spreaders, as classified by the woke Center for Countering Digital Hate.

    That means you, the reader, have to do a better job of spreading my hate around. Let’s build back better.”

    LOL. I’m doing my best to help.

    These totalitarian vaxmongers are finding themselves in a deep hole but keep digging it deeper. Maybe they think if they dig deep enough they can reach China. Or maybe the hole will just collapse in on them.

    Either way I won’t lose any sleep over it.

    From a Twitter user on vaccine effectiveness: “I’m waiting for the monthly subscription model, kind of like Netflix for your shoulder”.

  2. I have tried.
    Note: posting on social media (besides receiving the adolescent and obligatory false-fact-check warning and/or posting refusal) an uptick in email spam occurs when quoting Briggs et al.
    Correlation or causation?
    Does it matter anymore?

  3. ALL of this is leading to a Police State where control of the people BY “NECESSARY RESTRAINT” for their own good. Anti-vaxers will be taken into “Protective Custody”…forget about seeing them again.

  4. The deplorable 12

    Briggs, you have to fit three categories

    1 you’re not hawking health products (Math books don’t count)
    2 you’re not a doctor of medicine or some health related field (you come close here – at least CV wise)
    3 You’re not in partnership with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (don’t know where you fit here)

    Increase these three areas and you’ll get there

  5. What you are seeing is Hope-Simpson seasonality for respiratory virus epidemics. These vary from place to place and bug to bug. For corona viruses, this season in the tropics and subtropics is *summer*, not winter locally. Thus, to the extent that true prevalence is increasing, where it should be increasing; true cases are increasing, vexxine or no vexxine. That said, the PTB propaganda has worked. What far too many think they know, just isn’t so.

    Minor reminder about causation and correlation: causation entails correlation and correlation, in and of itself, does not entail causation.

  6. Sure they have stopped the experiments, just like the tooth fairy is real and so is the easter bunny.

    If 99% of the ICU patients wish they had had a vaccine, NOTHING kept them from getting it. I see very stupid people who did not listen (imaginary people, of course, because this is a made up thread). They are also referring to the two or three patients they had with the Delta variant, which in today’s weak society and inept doctors, two people are a “crushing load” and five patients is “running rampant”. Really, we will NEVER trust twitter nor most of the scientists and democrat state doctors. We know a lie when we read one and they are bad liars. They might as well be the kid that says the invisible elephant broke the lamp. We have as much faith in them.

    Propaganda works on lazy, stupid people only. Smart, greedy ones may play along, but they do not believe.

    Really? For the good of the herd WOULD INCLUDE NOT MURDERING PREBORN BABIES. Want to go there? It’s not your body after all. It belongs to the herd.

    I guess since vexxing is so important to save society money, and it costs money if you end up in the hospital, vexxed people who get sick should be denied hospitalization and allowed to die, right?

    Hitler tried all these passes and paperwork. Of course, we now have multiple Hitler’s combining forces and apparently no one to oppose them. According to the media, anyway, except those reporting lockdown and vaccine riots and protests worldwide. Come on, we always knew a new Hitler would arise. The question was if anyone cared enough to stop him……

    Psaki is a lifelong mouthpiece for the democrats so I am calling her a LIAR even if you are not going to. LIE is what Democrats do and lifetime ones perfect it. She is lifelong.

    I do what I can to spread your hate!!! I’ll try to do more!

    Want to end the Covid problem. BURN THE TESTS. ALL OF THEM. Without tests, there is no Covid problem.

  7. “The entire structure of the university system the world over needs to be scrapped and redesigned.”

    The mini stats course on this site is part of that.

  8. There was never any chance in U.S. of attaining herd immunity for this virus; therefore culling the herd is a necessary 2nd element for any eventual success, which means permitting the unvaccinated, mostly Republicans, to die off.

  9. For those under 50, the Covid vexxine is at least as dangerous as the disease it purports to prevent (which it doesn’t).

    For those under 30, the Covid vexxine is ten times as dangerous as the disease it purports to prevent (which it doesn’t).

  10. >”What’s unusual about the coronadoom is the July bump.”

    The speculation I’ve heard is that the July bump are hot regions (South & Southwest) who huddle indoors in air conditioning, rather than being outdoors–similar to huddling indoors in winter months in the north. Makes sense to me–but I’ve no data to support such speculation.

    cdquarles, above, mentions an explanation that fits this speculation.

  11. Great post, Briggs, you really covered the bases; great comments, too.

    Why aren’t more people talking about the influeza/SARS Covid-2 testing mash-up? Does this mean the flu never “disappeared”, it just got “cancelled” in the stampede of “Covid” tests?

    We know that only children (<20) with severe pre-existing illness have died testing positive for Covid, and those numbers are vanishingly small. In a normal year, many more seemingly healthy children can be susceptible to death by flu. I wonder, did about the same number of children die of flu-related illness (ie negative Covid test, positive flu test), since Covid, or fewer? If that number is about the same, then flu didn’t “disappear” and any adult deaths "with flu" were instead counted as "with Covid" if possible.

    If medical facilities could count more “Covid-positive” illnesses and deaths, they enjoyed greater renumeration —up to tens of thousands more, per patient; meanwhile the Vexx manufacturers, their totalitarian-leaning gov’t partners, and all of the the other profiteers, rubbed their hands together, in anticipatory glee.

    Remember, early on, they began throwing piles of money towards anti-therapeutic propaganda efforts such as: “Hydroxy KILLS!!” -Neil Cavuto, Fox Business, etc. etc. etc…..

    Are doctors still instructing sick patients to go home, or go to hospital, without any prescriptions for therapeutics? Are therapeutics still illegal….and does that question, on its face, tell you what you need to know?

    ”Stay crowded together indoors, out of the sunlight!!” “Strap on a face diaper, and breathe/re-breathe said contents everywhere you go!” “Re-breathe your own CO2, it’s healthier than fresh air!” Or, my personal favorites, “Wear a face diaper from restaurant door to table, but okay to remove when sitting down”, and “”Wear a face diaper while flying on an airplane, sitting in a metal tube at 30K feet, re-breathing the same re-circulated air as everyone else.” Brilliant. All to keep a few uninformed and/or mentally ill people “feeling safe”, while keeping the authoritarians firmly in control.

    Briggs, what really struck me in your post was the clip from “Focus Taiwan (CNA English News)”: “People traveling together in a private vehicle will now be allowed to eat in the vehicle, though the new #COVID19 rules differ depending on who the passengers are, the Center Epidemic Command Center said Saturday.” The accompanying photo showed people in their car, wearing masks.

    “[R]ules differ depending on who the passengers are.” That about says it all.

    We’ve been hearing a great deal lately, about the Chinese Communists’ imminent invasion of Taiwan. From the looks of that news-post, the Taiwanese are already conquered, and actual invasion will just be a formality….more of a mop-up effort against those few rag-tag remnants who still insist on breathing and thinking freely.

  12. We need to start a campaign highlighting that vax passports are an act of white supremacy.

    Might as well hijack their sacred bulls. It doesn’t need to make sense. It just needs to feel right.

  13. The “Delta Variant” propaganda has taught me that Orwell was absolutely correct about doublethink.

    The very same news broadcast will say both that we need to reinstate lockdowns measures because “the vaccine” is not very effective against the Delta variant and then also say that because the Delta variant is such a big threat more people need to get vaccinated. And the average person swallows both ideas without once wondering about the blatant contradiction.

  14. HELP! I apologize for continuing to be thick headed but I still don’t see why your graph entitled, “US Weekly Deaths by All Types, Late 2009-2021,” shows COVID deaths are attributed. Seems to me it shows the opposite as the difference between the solid black line and the dotted line is quite significant for 2020 – 2021. If this gap were small or non-existent then we could say that there were no excess deaths and the pandemic was truly a “panicdemic”. Again, the graph seems to suggest the opposite. I welcome comments from anyone who can point out what I’m not getting. I’m serious because I’d like to use it in my own effort to argue that all this stuff in the media is anything BUT following the science.

  15. I just saw reports yesterday (though apparently it was announced July 21 – and the mainstream media has been reliably silent on the matter) that the CDC has said it will not renew the RT-PCR test EUA (yes those were just operating under an EUA like the vaxxes: https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html), because it can’t differentiate between SARS-COV-2 and ordinary flu! (on top of the already well-known fact that PCR can’t tell live contagious virus from non-contangious viral fragments. And at sufficiently high cycles it’s doubtful whether anything, in absence of symptoms, is other than a test-induced false positive). Bizarrely, the test has not been immediately withdrawn, but EUA will simply be allowed to expire December 31, 2021 (apparently this flawed test is AOK to use until then! Ridiculous).

    This is where flu went – simply subsumed into “Covid” using a flawed test. All cold and flu-like illness repackaged as “Covid.” No surprise to those with ears to hear and eyes to see for the past 18 months, despite the Covid Cultists’ claims that flu flew away because of face muzzles, anti-social distancing, etc.

    This should be front page news everywhere, and a cause for massive outrage, yet I’ve seen almost nothing in mainstream media. Query for our blog host: Does this announcement by CDC not invalidate the entire data set? Is not every bit of data we’ve been given on number of “cases,” attributed “deaths” from these “cases,”etc. unreliable and invalid due to utterly flawed testing? This has been, and still is largely a test-driven pseudo-pandemic. I can’t imagine that, say, in an academic setting someone had submitted a study to a journal using what proved to be an utterly flawed test, the entire study and alleged results would not be retracted as invalid – and that’s basically where we are with PCR and the Covid numbers we’ve been given all along.

    And despite Covid Cultist claims, it is increasingly clear that the unvaccinated are not the main drivers of alleged new “cases” or of “deaths” at this point. The vaccines are a failure, yet as adverse events and deaths caused by the jabs near 500,000 in the US alone, the fanatical pro-Covijab push by media and politicians gets worse. We were told vaccine rollouts would ensure a return to “normal”…yet all I see are increased efforts to push totalitarian polices (essentially Medical Apartheid) using Covid as their excuse – even as real herd immunity increases and attributed deaths remain minimal, they are laying the groundwork for more lockdowns, muzzles, etc. as Fall approaches (I will chimp if this happens near me!!!).

    Increased global tyranny and oligarchic control (witness also recent announcements of more collusion between Big Tech – and self-appointed arbiters of discourse and “hate speech” like ADL and SPLC – and the NatSec state to root out and punish dissent) is the objective, not public health or safety. Despite thing being mostly back to normal around here for the past two months, I still feel more concerned for the future in recent weeks than I did this time last year. Dark days ahead, and I don’t think it will end well, on an individual or global level.

  16. Douglas Skinner –

    The drop in all-cause deaths is because what were historically all-cause deaths are now largely being labelled covid. It’s a nice accounting trick, much like the seasonal flu’s disappearance. They are either cooking the books or the good Lord has blessed us by providentially halting or limiting all other causes of death so as to balance it out with those numbers supposedly dying of covid. Isn’t it wonderful?

  17. Sweet, Pete. Good find.

    Confirmed: the Dreaded Delta not as deadly as the Shy Alpha.

    And more than that. The DD seems indeed to be killing the vexxinated at greater rates than unvexxinated. Holy moly.

    If I read it right—and I will double check all—in Table 5 we see 28,773 true DD cases in the “fully” vexxinated, and 121,402 in the unvexxinated.

    But we see 224 dead in the “fully” vexxxinated, for a rate of 224/28773 = 0.0078.

    And we have 165 dead in the unvexxinated, for a rate of 165/121402 = 0.0014.

    That’s a difference of 5.7 times.

    Dude.

    Doing it by under/over 50 shows over 50 might benefit, but second dose doesn’t add anything.

  18. Dennis-

    “Does this announcement by CDC not invalidate the entire data set?”

    Yes it does. But everyone paying attention knew that from the start.

    The media won’t cover it for the same reason they won’t cover the fact that a witness admitted they were paid off to lie by the U.S. Government about Julian Assange and that therefore is is no case against him whatsoever.

    The media and news and radio stations are not news, they are elaborate advertising bullboards and public relations agencies masquerading as journalist news outlets. Fake is every meaning of the word possible. As far as they are concerned thia admittance by the CDC never happened. They are standing by and waiting for orders on how to proceed. Until then the status quo covid narrative remains.

  19. Addendum to the above: If the PCR test for which CDC is not renewing authorization cannot even differentiate between SARS-COV-2 and ordinary flu, how can we trust any of the claims regarding “Delta” scariant “cases” either? The test can’t tell the difference between Covid and flu, but can discriminate between “variants” of SARS-COV-2 (maybe actually nonexistent in the first place)?

    Yes, I’ve heard some test samples are sent for other testing to confirm alleged “variant,” but judging from the data and scare-mongering on alleged “Delta cases” being bandied about everywhere (while also ignoring that it is simply not that deadly – though perhaps more so the jabbed – even if “more contagious”), I find it hard to believe this secondary testing is being done on a large scale, rather than people simply inferring from ANY positive test that it must be a “Delta” case now.

  20. Ref:- Rudolph Harrier at 12:28 pm

    This double-think is summed by …

    If wearing a mask is effective, the why does one need to keep more than 1M from other people?

    If keeping more than 1M from other people is effective, then why does one have to
    wear mask?

    If wearing masks and keeping more that 1M from other people is effective, then why does one need a vaccination?

    If wearing a masque, keeping more than 1M from other people and a vaccination is effective, what danger does a masked, social distanced unvaccinated person pose?

    Could it be that the combination of masques, social distancing and vaccinations are ineffective?

  21. Briggs –

    Please read this article; the author asks for help in case he has made a math mistake.

    ” What if it turns out that vaccines are killing and crippling millions of people around the world, but that those harmed are just well enough spread out that almost nobody saw sufficient signals to build an intuition about the problem? And what if the agency most responsible for examining safety signals defines their algorithm using a nonsensical mathematical formula that hides nearly all serious problems?”

    https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/defining-away-vaccine-safety-signals

  22. DeSantis is a FIG (First Israel Governor). He puts Israel first and America second and after his election, the newly elected Governor of Florida held his first Florida cabinet meeting in Israel.

    Oc course, he is doing the bidding of those who, he hopes, will bankroll his run for POTUS and one way he is doing that his to try and punish those who peacefully support BDS.

    It is men like DeSantis who are the “future” of the Stupid Party so one can expect him to jump ugly on mask mandates once he gets his marching orders.

    Still he his marginally better than being governed by a member of the Evil Party but why are those the only two (Evil or Stupid) choices American voters get to have in America-Second-To-Israel America?

    Dear Mr Briggs. That You Tube interview you did was smashing. KUDOS

  23. This is happening because people answered poll questions and said a. they didn’t want the vax and b. they voted for Trump. That gave them all they needed. If they had not outed themselves we wouldn’t be here. If you simply must answer polls or you’ll die, tell them you’re a Democrat.
    I’m interested in knowing the current rate of vexxing for people of color, who reportedly did not want the vex in large numbers. I don’t think this government can handle one black lady who feels wronged at the Customer Service counter. How are they going to handle tens of thousands?
    It is disconcerting that the rhetoric has increased in high profile conservatives. Sean Hannity has lost credibility, as has Fox. We’re watching them drop like pins. Half of this country has become unrecognizable as human beings. They are vilifying people who don’t want a jab as the Jews were, in pretty much the same language. What the hell is wrong with these people?

  24. “but that those harmed are just well enough spread out that almost nobody saw sufficient signals to build an intuition about the problem?”

    As the link Hun posted above suggests, there are sufficient signals to intuit the problem, namely that it seems, if I read it correctly, that the sick patients show up, not little by little trickles, but as “clusters” which seem to align with the timeline of vaccinated groups, all with the same problems all at once, and all confirming they’d been vexxed, simply by virtue of a doc saying, “You have covid”, and the patient or family member replying, “But… but… how could that be??? I/THEY WAS VEXXED!!! ONCE! TWICE! THREE TIMES!!!”

    There’s no mystery about it. The bastards can all read the signs. It’s top-down enforced Doublethink and the threat to ones reputation and career by the machine.

  25. ABS: Yes, such a shame Mullis died in Aug 2019, just months before this all kicked-off. No reason to suspect foul play as far as I’m aware (obit says he died of pneumonia. Can that be faked or induced by stealth without detection?). But one must admit it IS rather TOO convenient that probably the one man who – by speaking out about his own invention (a Nobel Prize winner no less – Trust the scientist!) – could have put an early end to the mass misuse of PCR tests for diagnosing SARS-COV-2/Covid, just happened to die a few months before the plandemic rollout. Hmmm…(I dunno…but I just don’t trust what we’re told about much of anything anymore, esp. when it’s just too convenient for the Narrative unfolding these last 18 months).

    Apparently the idiotic CDC is now again recommending indoor masks for everyone, and for all K-12 in school upcoming, regardless of jab status. Faced with any businesses, school, court, etc. that attempts to enforce this latest flip-flopping, anti-science CDC nonsense, EVERYONE MUST CHIMP – IT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD!

  26. ABC – thank you for that reference. I found this piece especially interesting regarding legal detention: “16. In the case we are dealing with, there is no indication or proof of such diagnosis having actually been carried out by a qualified professional under the terms of the Law and who had acted in accordance with good medical practices.”

  27. ” . . . from our rulers and their servants, the media . . .”

    I took this for granted for a long time, that the media served the Demonrats. Or that they were at least fellow travelers. But I couldn’t make sense of it – why would the media do the Demonrats bidding? I couldn’t think of a good reason the media would be beholden to a politician.

    I’ve since decided that it’s the other way around, that the Demonrats do the media’s bidding. This makes a lot more sense to me. The media consists of idealists who were excreted from J-school wanting to change the world, to make a difference. In the media world, shallow near-sighted emotional thinking is faster and easier and pays better, so of course they do it. Politicians, on the other hand, really do need the media for publicity, their re-election depends on it. For more evidence, consider the large number of media-hounded spineless elected Republicans who regularly betray the conservatives who voted them into office.

  28. Zbigniew Brzezinski (Mika’s Father) from a November 17th, 2008 address at Chatham House:

    “I once put it rather pungently, and I was flattered that the British Foreign Secretary repeated this, as follows: … namely, in early times, it was easier to to control a million people, literally it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today, it is infinitely easier to to kill a million people than to control a million people. It is easier to kill than to control….”

    This is not a statement of malign intent, instead it is an observation on a subject of great interest to the Chatham House audience.

    Consider the players in this pandemic; namely the technocratic Oligargchs, their global cabal of PhD scientist underlings, apparently networking with the Faucis, the Daszaks and the organisations they front (Daszak’s frighteningly named “EcoHealth Alliance” that allegedly funnelled money from Fauci’s NSAID to the Wuhan Lab during a prohibition on gain-of-function research). Then we have the Gates and Soros alliance, including recent strategic investments in farmland and in COVID testing agencies.

    One wonders if Z’s vexing “concerns” have now been solved from both angles.

    We have a pandemic caused by what is largely accepted to be a genetically modified organism that has literally killed millions; a bio-engineered disaster that no doubt will lead to millions more deaths by vaccine, millions of future generational deaths by spontaneous abortion and an urgent international government-level rollout of a new “EcoHealth” passport system globally; the epitome of scientific control.

    No doubt the new “EcoHealth” passport will become “supranational” in law; above and beyond national citizenship and the outdated concept of sovereignty.

    Every human will be an entry in the global blockchain of this system which is immutable, distributed, public and forever oppressing each future unborn from the moment of conception unto death. Any new biological organism, once placed in this system, can be “yeeted” from civilisation either physically or virtually, for any reason and at any time by an all pervasive, unaccountable and invisible AI under the control of just a handful of superhuman “NeoGods”.

    As Orwell’s O’Brien states: “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” And Huxley’s Brave New World Revisited: “There seems to be no good reason why a thoroughly scientific dictatorship should ever be overthrown.”

    The only escape from such a nightmare will be a return to the stone age. When the world goes dark once again, Gates, Soros and the like may find themselves fending off starving, naked cave dwellers; themselves dressed in loincloths.

  29. What’s being missed by almost everyone in their understanding, including alternative news  folks, are realities that are “right in front of us” but CULTURALLY AND  POLITICALLY forbidden “conveniently” blocking almost everyone’s  recognition of the true reality about Covid. It’s not just that lunatics rule, that’s only ONE aspect —  read “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The  Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective  & Historical Assessment Of The Covid “Phenomenon”” at https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html

    Without a proper understanding, and full acknowledgment, of the true problem, no real constructive change is possible.

  30. “And more than that. The DD seems indeed to be killing the vexxinated at greater rates than unvexxinated.”

    Prof Briggs: Dr. Michael Yeadon has done a Case to Fatality Ratio calculation on the July 9th Public Health England statistics and stated that that “Vaxx CFR is 2.5 x higher!” It has been asserted (but I haven’t verified) that the CFR of the July 23rd PHE report illustrates that Vaxx CFR is was 8 times higher.

    I’ve never put much stock in these numbers though, as they are based largely on PCR tests that were done before patients arrived at the ER and also after being admitted (presumably patients came to ER/admitted for some other reason but contracted C19 while in hospital). These are not “cases” by medical definition (as they may or may not be symptomatic) and the data is likely very dirty from what I know of the PCR test.

    We also still don’t know if these persons died “with” C19 or “from” C19. An FOIA request from Birmingham NHS Trust (maybe the largest trust in England?) recently confirmed that only 2.5% of the C19 deaths recorded (2021) died “from” C19.

    The ZOE app (King’s College London) considers only true symptomatic cases, but the case counts of Vaxxed in their system surpassed the Unvaxxed about two weeks ago (for the first time) so they stopped publishing comparisons. But from this I get the impression that symptomatic cases of the Vaxxed can be understood to be higher than Unvaxxed in the UK.

    Published data and an analysis submitted by one of your commenters on the previous board ‘kograt’ does clearly illustrate the likelihood of diminishing effectiveness of the vaccines from about 4 weeks and beyond from the second dose. If this is true, then the Vaxxed may only get about a 2 week or so overall benefit from their injections.

    In my view it looks like we have a bifurcation underway in the UK, where the Vaccinated are in a completely different behavioural/immunity cycle than the Unvaccinated. The ZOE app showed a very steep decline in symptomatic Unvaxxed cases versus a corresponding very steep rise in Vaxxed cases to the point the lines have crossed. Two completely different cycles are emerging.

    I believe it is going to get a lot worse for the Vaccinated. Anecdotally there are doctors reports of high viral loads building up in the Vaxxed cohort (with no symptoms at all) that are suddenly and fatally being unleashed, apparently as the vaccine effectiveness wears off. A perfectly healthy 33 year-old Louisiana woman, double Vaxxed, came down with C19 symptoms and died in hospital 24 hours later. Viral loads can be quite high without symptoms; whereas an Unvaxxed individual would be in bed sick or in hospital and out of public circulation, the Vaxxed are still wandering around in public carrying very very high viral loads. In one case in Los Angeles recently a double Vaxxed superspreader infected 60 people in one weekend before coming down with the sickness himself.

    If the medical community did not have enough to worry about already, they have absolutely no experience of handing such a potentially disastrous outcome.

  31. “These guys like Fauci get up and start talking and he doesn’t know anything really about anything and I would say that to his face. Nothing,” Mullis said. “The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it’s got a virus in there, you’ll know it. He doesn’t understand electron microscopy and he doesn’t understand medicine and he should not be in a position like he’s in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don’t know anything about the body

    Beginning with Tricky Dick Nixon, the establishment has promoted men like Tiny Tony to a position of power – A Czar, don’cha’know, who has for 37 years been leading scientists around by the nose and Tiny Tony and Big Pharm (The Mutt and Jeff of medical mayhem) are THE authorities and other scientists are like latter-day Lazaruses hoping to live off the establishments scraps that fall off the Round Table of the Knights with White Statins (Did ABS include enough unconnected references and crummy puns?)

  32. Amateur Brain Surgeon said “Beginning with Tricky Dick Nixon, the establishment has promoted men like Tiny Tony to a position of power.”

    In my experience in the nasa.gov world the term we used was that a person gets promoted to the level of their incompetence.

  33. My first run through of the Pete data (actually Public Heath England) suggests (if I have correctly interpreted it):

    There are 4 current WuFlu “variants of concern” (VOCs) and 10 “variants under investigation” (VUIs) detected in GB. An additional 17 variants have been detected elsewhere. Not all cases have been RNA sequenced, so it is likely that other variants exist but have not been identified as yet.

    Of those cases of which RNA sequencing was done, and which resulted in a “death in any setting (regardless of hospitalisation status) within 28 days of positive specimen date” since Feb. 1, 2021 ->

    the Alpha variant (the original) has produced 150,436 cases and 1,614 deaths, or a death rate of 1.1% — of those 66 were 50yo

    the Delta variant has produced 229,218 cases and 460 deaths, or a death rate of 0.2% — of those 45 were 50yo

    More details on age classes and other factors (co-morbidities) were not given. Other variants combined had 2489 cases and 17 deaths, a death rate of 0.68%.

    Thus the Alpha variant was 5.3 times more deadly than the Delta variant for the cases studied. For the Alpha, individuals over 50 were 23.5 times more likely to die than those under 50. For the Delta, individuals over 50 were 9.2 times more likely to die than those under 50.

    Of the Delta variant cases 28,773 were in vaccinated individuals (2 doses) and of those 224 died, a death rate of 0.78%. Of the Delta variant cases 121,402 were in unvaccinated individuals and of those 165 died, a death rate of 0.14%. Thus fully vaccinated individuals were 5.7 times MORE likely to die from the Delta variant than unvaccinated individuals.

    The efficacy of vaccination for the Alpha variant cases was not given. This seems to me to be a glaring absence in the data provided.

  34. Whoops. I was tripped up by html. The two truncated sentences should read:

    the Alpha variant (the original) has produced 150,436 cases and 1,614 deaths, or a death rate of 1.1% — of those 66 individuals were greater than than 50yo and 1,548 were less than 50yo

    the Delta variant has produced 229,218 cases and 460 deaths, or a death rate of 0.2% — of those 45 individuals were greater than 50yo and 415 were less than 50yo

  35. Darn it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once again:

    the Alpha variant (the original) has produced 150,436 cases and 1,614 deaths, or a death rate of 1.1% — of those 66 were less than than 50yo and 1,548 were greater than 50yo

    the Delta variant has produced 229,218 cases and 460 deaths, or a death rate of 0.2% — of those 45 were less than 50yo and 415 were greater than 50yo

    IKf that’s sttill wrong, tooo bad. I grive upp. Can”tr typp-r twroth a figgh

  36. @Briggs, Pete,

    Are you talking about the graph on page 18? You have to consider the proportion of vaccinated to unvaccinated in the >50 and 50. Those over 50 in the hospital who have been vaccinated are breakthrough cases. Fewer of those under 50 have been vaccinated.

  37. From my point of view, the statistics are interesting, but continue my nagging thought of how much of the reporting of illnesses, and death, were the result of inaccurate testing, falsified death certificates, and the withholding of important information by those responsible for the data.

    If the accurate data could be had, what would we see? Is this even possible to obtain? I don’t think so, since so many would either be discredited, fired, prosecuted, or even murdered by angry family members.

  38. Jess,

    This is why I continue to emphasize the only number we can really trust are the all cause weekly death numbers. And they show now there is nothing to panic about.

  39. Walt — the data on p.18 is tabular, not graphic. It is for the Delta variant only. Corresponding data for the Alpha variant is not given. In any case, the snapshot incidental data is not a picture of the entire population and cannot be extrapolated to it.

    Jess — in this study the methodology seems well controlled. That’s not to say general Gummit or Mudya blather is in any way accurate.

    To all — Figure 14 is a hoot on many levels.

    Joy — I may be a spazz, but when I wrote “not twroth a figgh”, I meant it.

  40. Wow, flatterer!
    ” you’re not hawking health products (Math books don’t count)”
    No but hawking a book claiming to help those in a panic, or something.
    Definitely seizing the day so to speak.

    For data regarding delta variant see office of national statistics.

  41. Uncle Mike
    Do you mean “she’s not worth it bro”?
    Otherwise don’t know what you mean

  42. “There are 4 current WuFlu “variants of concern” (VOCs) and 10 “variants under investigation” (VUIs) detected in GB.”
    There are current no
    “variants of concern”
    They are not variants of panic!
    Currently, as of 12 July, was It? the video I linked.
    There are no variants which are currently causing Andy reason for altering the course of reopening.

    That’s the official line. So claiming that something else is true is just misrepresentation.
    As explained previously,
    “variant of concern”
    means something rather different when the media and the stirrers get hold of the language.

    I thought there was enough explanation about this but it doesn’t stop the bleating and complaining about how these viruses are labelled and how the situation changes, all the time.

    It’s as if some think the virus itself is part of the conspiracy!
    So silly and unnecessary.

  43. The only thing “of concern” is the attempt by media and governments to continue spreading panic and fear based on alleged scariants and bogus claims that this is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated, ” while cracking down on basic civil liberties and instituting Medical Apartheid.

    If anything it’s a pandemic of the vaccinated now (because the vaxes are failing big time, and aren’t true “vaccines” to being with, whihc is the core of the problem). There’s a reason mRNA tech had never before been approved even for human trials before they were rushed through using Covid (something 99.98% survive) as the excuse (and Trump shares the blame as much as anyone for pushing through “Operation Warp Speed”). We are seeing the result of a failed science experiment on a global scale using manipulated, brainwashed, terrorized, and terrified populations as guinea pigs – and it will likely get much worse (for the jabbed).

  44. => further to July 28th 04:59pm
    (to put it another way)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_8bj9pBuo

    Re current status of ‘variants of concern”. (Old news)
    19:20

    ”The Delta variant is now the dominant variant in the Uk so this is now the normal variant in the Uk so…that’s not a variant of concern any more , which it was when we first talked about it in one of these press conferences.
    Looking at other variants of concern in the Uk, the numbers are LOW and are NOT rising and in several cases are shrinking at this point in time. So we do not think at this point that there is any reason to think any variants of concern are going to change the analysis that’s been made. “

  45. Dennis,

    The only thing “of concern” is the attempt by media and governments to continue spreading panic and fear based on alleged scariants and bogus claims that this is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated, ” while cracking down on basic civil liberties and instituting Medical Apartheid.”

    So far so good, sort of, but then, this:

    “If anything it’s a pandemic of the vaccinated now (because the vaxes are failing big time, and aren’t true “vaccines””

    1 that they are failing big time
    2 that they are not true vaccines.
    Can you define in a few short words what you mean by a “true vaccine”. Not what a vaccine IS NOT… interested to hear what you understand by a ‘vaccine’.

    “We are seeing the result of a failed science experiment on a global scale using manipulated, brainwashed, terrorized, and terrified populations as guinea pigs – and it will likely get much worse (for the jabbed).”

    How do you reconcile what you’ve written there with what is shown in the video I linked? Or with the witness given by citizens who tell you they are not terrified or the rest?

    p.s.
    Copied the statement so you don’t need to link.
    Are you saying that our experts are lying too? clarifying your position).

  46. For the record Uncle Mike I don’t think you’re a spa but suspect `I have you sussed a bit better than you think!

    I think quite the opposite but spare the words

  47. “Are you saying that our experts are lying too?”

    Bwwwaahhhhh hhaahaaaa hhhaaaa…ooh my…bwaahhh haaa!!!…Lol…oh, man. No, of course, not. “Our experts” have all been perfectly honest, straightforward, and reliable for the last 18 months. Most trustworthy, selfless, and decent people around. I trust The Science and The Experts more now than I could ever have thought possible. They are the true salt of the earth. I placed an order today on Amazon for Mexican-style saint candles featuring Fauci, Neil Ferguson, Whitty, and Bill Gates. I can’t wait to build my home shrine in my new Holy Corner (out with those old fuddy-duddy Russian and Byzantine icons!).

    A real vaccine prevents infection, which these dangerous and experimental mRNA jabs (which are properly classed as a form of gene therapy, not vaccines) do not do (neither does the flu jab – it’s just a money-making partial prophylactic at best as well). There are cheaper and safer (and likely more effective, as evidence of jab failure mounts) prophylactic treatments for Covid, and for symptom reduction once infected, that don’t come with the dangerous side effects of the jabs. But those have been widely suppressed in order to pave the way for fraudulent EUAs for these worthless gene therapies to help further enrich Big Pharma and their political cronies.

    And sorry, but I’m not watching a 50 minute UK govt press conference (if you have a shorter relevant clip, ok). Off to the park to prioritize my personal well-being and mindfulness, like Simone and Naomi. Such inspirations! True heroines of our age!

  48. “Bwwwaahhhhh hhaahaaaa hhhaaaa…ooh my…bwaahhh haaa!!!…Lol…oh, man. No, of course, not. “Our experts” have all been perfectly honest, straightforward, and reliable for the last 18 months. Most trustworthy, selfless, and decent people around. I trust The Science and The Experts more now than I could ever have thought possible. They are the true salt of the earth. I placed an order today on Amazon for Mexican-style saint candles featuring Fauci, Neil Ferguson, Whitty, and Bill Gates. I can’t wait to build my home shrine in my new Holy Corner (out with those old fuddy-duddy Russian and Byzantine icons!).”
    I know how you feel about this. I’m interested in your specific criticism of one
    Specific quote, which you skimmed!
    Unlike you, I do not count all those people in one bracket. Nor do I see this entire episode through a polarised set of doctrines of politics.
    I understand accurately what’s actually happened here in the UK. You have only received information from political filtered sources. Shame, because it would make you feel a lot better for very little effort. Neither do you have to alter your opinion on vaccine per se, but you’ll be closer to the truth, which is always a good thing.
    “A real vaccine prevents infection,”
    This is what I thought you believed. You’re mistaken.
    Where it comes to definitions and vaccination you are just wrong, probably misinformed and not about to change your mind because bill gates…and all that

    Vaccines work in a variety of ways, for varying periods of time and with different physiological effects. They are inoculation, which doesn’t necessarily mean total prevention and NEVER did mean that in the current situation or in the past. That some are a ‘one off’ for all time, is totally besides the point. They are intended to control the spread epidemics and therefore infection. They are also deployed in a variety of ways, which has also been a point of contention amidst the mire of misinformation.
    It is the misconception and misinformation from anti vaxers, who push this naive (I would call it ideology) about vaccine. It’s politically convenient but is separate from the truth, which we’re all supposed to be trying to uncover?

    “And sorry, but I’m not watching a 50 minute UK govt press conference (if you have a shorter relevant clip, ok). Off to the park to prioritize my personal well-being and mindfulness, like Simone and Naomi. Such inspirations! True heroines of our age”

     
    Hence the transcript/quote, which PROVES that actual ‘claims’ are diametrically opposed to most, even all, of the claims about “variants”. You seem to have lost the thread of this interchange.
     
    What CDC says, or faudci or bill gates say is of no interest here.
    The phrase was ‘our’ experts, by which I did mean the UK team, which is made from dozens of paid and unpaid advisors from many disciplines. Not all in agreement on details at times, (with regards interventions) either. So in making most of your claims about them , you are making statements which are not true. I’m trying to stop that happening. If people want to be accurate they must be honest.
     
    The quote and link, (proves the source, nothing more), also provided, was a minute counter and the proof takes little more than a minute or two, max. Not fifty, Dennis.

    On a separate note it has come to pass as was predicted that as and when things improve, so the complaints change. When things are bad they shift again.
    The so called skepticism for its own sake brigade just want moaning rights whatever happens. I would say the same characteristic is noted of the left wing element and the media in this country.

  49. Briggs — you write, “The DD seems indeed to be killing the vexxinated at greater rates than unvexxinated. Holy moly.”

    Not sure how sarcastically you mean this comment, as you note at the end “Doing it by under/over 50 shows over 50 might benefit”, and that you will double check the numbers. But running the numbers separately for the age groups, I see no real significant difference in mortality for the younger persons, and a clear indication of benefit for the older persons:

    Age group under 50
    Delta cases in fully vaccinated under 50yrs 15346, in the unvaccinated under 50yrs 119063.
    Deaths in the fully vaccinated under 50yrs 4, in the unvaccinated under 50yrs 34.
    So in the age group under 50yrs, mortality of the fully vaccinated 4/15346 = 0.000261, of the unvaccinated 0.000286.
    The ratio between them is 0.912773. A teeny tiny lower rate of mortality for the vaccinated, but with the tiny numbers that might be pure chance, no really significant difference here.

    Age over 50
    Delta cases in fully vaccinated over 50yrs 13427, in the unvaccinated under 50yrs 2337.
    Deaths in the fully vaccinated over 50yrs 220, in the unvaccinated over 50yrs 131.
    So in the age group over 50yrs, mortality of the fully vaccinated 220/13427 = 0.016385, of the unvaccinated 0.056055.
    The ratio between them is 0.292302. So in this age group the mortality of the fully vaccinated is three times as low as that of the unvaccinated.

    But if the mortality rate for fully vaccinated people under 50yrs is more or the less (maybe a tiny bit lower) than for unvaccinated people under 50yrs, and the mortality rate for fully vaccinated persons over 50yrs is much lower than the mortality rate for unvaccinated persons over 50yrs, why is the overall mortality rate for fully vaccinated people higher than the overall mortality rate for unvaccinated persons?

    That seems to be simply because the great majority of persons over 50yrs in the UK are vaccinated, and this age group is the only age group, vaccinated or unvaccinated, with a really significant chance of dying subsequent to infection. A random vaccinated person is more likely to be a older person, and therefore more likely to die of the virus, than a random unvaccinated person, even though a random vaccinated person under 50 is no more likely to die of the virus than a random unvaccinated person under 50, and a random vaccinated person over 50 is less likely to die of the virus than a random unvaccinated person over 50.

  50. @Dennis re: “I just saw reports yesterday (though apparently it was announced July 21 – and the mainstream media has been reliably silent on the matter)”

    I linked to a Fox News story a couple days ago in the just previous Vex thread …

  51. Jim: Glad Fox covered it, but this should be massive front-page-coverage type stuff everywhere (and not just on Fox which the rest of mainstream media can just dismiss, even if wrongly, as “right-wing propaganda” channel), if media were actually doing their job.

    It seems to have been mentioned a few places as a brief news item, then largely forgotten as if it were a minor thing, yet it literally calls into question every bit of data we’ve ever had regarding “cases.” And it just further underscores how much the whole panic (and the current ramp-up of paranoia and calls for re-introducing muzzles, etc.) driven by “cases” has been reliant on a flawed mass testing system. Until this crazed obsession with mass testing and tracking every covid “case” ends, we are doomed to endless cycles of this on-again-off-again muzzling, lockdowns, etc.

    P.S. Can’t recall if anyone has posted this here or if Briggs has elsewhere, but this is well worth watching:Dr. Richard Fleming, Event 2021 in Dallas this June: https://www.bitchute.com/video/CPFb5YtclVn1/
    It’s very long, but I’m about 1hour 20 min into Dr. Fleming’s presentation, and it’s one of the best summaries I’ve seen so far on the scientific background to SARS-COV-2/Covid, treatment protocols (he did an extensive study himself), etc. (Haven’t gotten to the portion yet where he discusses the mRNA jabs).

  52. What was that about wait two weeks? Wait two weeks for what? Deaths? Not forgetting “cases” are bullshit, driven by testing (proved, again, below), here are the attributed UK deaths:

    It was “wait four weeks”! So that a greater percentage would have vaccines prior to opening up and everybody to a T agrees on that. It was timed for the summer holiday and of course, the time when cases are at their least seasonally, so that any peak may be easily absorbed without crashing with winter pressures of all kinds. (Also expected to be high this winter! I say it could take another winter for flu and other respiratory diseases to peak again but it’s coming.)
    Testing in the UK has been multi factorial and from the beginning.
    The cases tested on entering hospital or, now, schools/institutions, are separate from that involved in sequencing and sampling for spread. The entire process has worked very differently over here than in the US. Even the tests were developed separately. The US sold anything marked ‘test” to the public.
    Now, any cursory test has to be followed up with more accurate testing.
    There’s a repeating theme, which is false, that everybody’s in a panic about variants *(this week, it’s other things on other days). It’s simply false.
    Much of what you say is after it’s already been said here. In some cases, over a year ago, even before e the epidemic hit the UK for example, under testing erroneously compared with mortality; purpose and efficacy of masks; aims of vaccination programmes; requirement for ventilators; disadvantages of non pharmaceutical interventions and on and on.

  53. Postal Union REFUSES Biden’s Mandatory Vaccination, Twitter CLOSES Offices Over Delta Variant
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_TBLLsvOEQ

    Masks coming back to Disney Parks
    https://www.slashfilm.com/masks-are-coming-back-to-disney-parks/

    Netflix requires all cast and crew to be vexxed
    https://www.slashfilm.com/netflix-to-require-covid-vaccinations-for-cast-some-crew/

    I know I’m personally keeping my eye out for places I’d rather get a job at after this fiasco. But I predict an age where the vexxed employees will sue their employers for damages if government ever regains sanity after passing the buck on to the private employers!

  54. Another excellent interview with Dr. Peter McCullogh here: https://rumble.com/vk8cpw-top-american-doctor-covid-shots-are-obsolete-dangerous-must-be-shut-down.html

    “There’s a repeating theme, which is false, that everybody’s in a panic about variants *(this week, it’s other things on other days). It’s simply false.”

    Given the increasing calls – based largely on variant fearmongering – for re-introducing muzzle mandates (whether jabbed or not), and in some places lockdowns (even China Mitch McConnell is threatening new US lockdowns if more don’t get jabbed), etc., and increasing threats now by many companies to fire people who do not vax – esp. once CDC agrees, in a transparently fraudulent but expected move, to change the definition from EUA to “fully approved,” (including employees who’ve already had it, ignoring evidence of robust and long-lasting natural immunity that is better than any vax; and despite the fact that by normal measures real herd immunity has already been reached in most places) – well…sounds like panic about variants to me.

    Long past time for all of the panic and obsession with about Covid and “cases,” variant or otherwise, to end. Should be treated no differently than flu or countless other illnesses we live with every day, and whether one wants to get a jab should be of no more interest to anyone else than getting a flu shot ever was.

  55. “I know I’m personally keeping my eye out for places I’d rather get a job at after this fiasco. But I predict an age where the vexxed employees will sue their employers for damages if government ever regains sanity after passing the buck on to the private employers!”

    In addition to Netflix, I saw today Google, Zuckerface, Home Depot and Shake Shack are making it mandatory for employees by Sept 6 (and in the case of Shake Shack say they will demand proof from customers too. Fine – If they want to kill their business, go ahead. People should just boycott any businesses engaging in such Medical Apartheid). Home Depot and Shake Shack are concerning because these are the first “brick and mortar” type stores I’ve seen make this move, and Shake Shack the first I’ve seen to say they will make it company-wide policy to require vax passport form customers (apparently regardless of any state bans on vax passports). I expect more such announcements to follow. I expected it from Woke Capital places like Netflix, Zuckerface, Google,. etc.

    There are many suits in the works, but there need to be more, and needs to be political action against mandatory job/school requirements to take vax and/or vax passports for customers. Some states have done this, but remains to be seen if courts will uphold bans on vax requirements or passports (I expect most fed courts to take the regime-approved stance regardless of the law or constitution, or facts about the jabs – as the Indiana court did a couple weeks ago). This is also why there is a push to get the jabs rushed to “fully approved” status – it will be easier for shools and employers to claim mandates should be allowed because they are no longer “experimental” (it’s just a terminological ruse, totally bogus, but courts might buy it).

    And of course the GOP in Congress is acting as spineless as ever, doing nothing stop the freight train of new mandates and insanity out to crush people, while joining the vax push and threatening more lockdowns (for every Paul or Massie, there’s a handful of McConnells, Romney’s etc.) Do not patronize any businesses that go this route – go to your local hardware store instead of home depot, kill that Netflix sub, go to a local deli instead of Shake Shack chain crap (or make your own sandwich), etc…If people would just resist, the oligarchs designs will fail…

  56. Joseph,
    well described. It’s easy to be facile
    ~~~
    Patients who die who have been vaccinated are of course more likely still, to be in the older age group or in groups where they are at higher risk for other reasons. Also worth pointing out that there have been deaths where there is no apparent underlying cause. Rare, but has happened.

    None of that is relevant to discussions of politics. The data is the data and the medical facts in each and every case are just that.

    There’s quite a lot more to add but there’s little point when even the vey basics set people into a fit of peak about vaccination in general. Too many trigger words, too many mines.

  57. Dennis,
    Do you still hold to your notion of what a “real/true vaccine” is?
    As for well past panic stage, I was quoting briggs in the above, Still making the point that what’s being claimed about UK intervention here, is not as it is being reported by CNNor repeated elsewhere. The claims are there for scrutiny without an intermediary.
     
    It’s a false discussion when points of fact correction are just ignored and then misrepresented over and over as if nothing happened. It’s not great for credibility.
     
    That the CDC makes a dog’s breakfast of things and CNN are lying, Biden’s out to lunch, is all sad/bad etc, but
    facts are inescapable facts. There is only one truth, fortunately for everybody

  58. https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/delta-variant-as-pretext-for-youth
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/pfizer-safety-and-efficacy-6-month

    Netflix, Google, and Facebook employees are mostly foreigners. They have to get the vax or go home. Home Depot is a big disappointment, but they keep getting worse. We’ll see what their competitor does. There’s something about September. What is it? Have they heard that the FDA will grant full approval to the mRNA vaccines then?

  59. Addendum to above…had to leave off take a client call

    If anyone is pressed by employer to take vax or risk firing or other penalties, I have a 5 page questionnaire that can be presented to them, along with a draft legal memo to setting forth various legal arguments against such employer or school mandates (need to be tailored to jurisdiction).

    I also came across the following, example, which someone said worked with his employer: Had his lawyer draft demand that employer, in order to establish a truly safe work environment that his client would feel comfortable in (or else he may need to seek redress through EEOC claims, lawsuits, etc), inquire into and demand health records and current health status of all employees for all other possible communicable diseases, including, but not limited to HIV/AIDS, other STDs, hepatitis, strep, flu, cold, measles, mumps, chicken pox, shingles, etc., etc., and ask that employer take measures to ensure employees that may be at risk of spreading any communicable illness, including common cold, be quarantined from the rest of employees, and other measures be taken that are necessary to ensure safety and health of others etc…if employer sees it as urgent for his business to stop the spread of one virus with an extremely high survival rate (Covid), there is no legitimate reason then that he should be exempt from any moral or legal responsibility to stop all potential illnesses or diseases for which employees may be at risk, or to demand employees submit to other innoculations or prophylactic treatments for illnesses or diseases they may spread. Result: Says employer backed down and would no longer demand vax or ongoing proof of periodic negative tests, etc.

    The important thing is not to cave. People must unite and push back relentlessly against all of this madness.

  60. “Biden’s out to lunch”

    And getting worse by the day. If he were a Republican, the house would already have been instituting Amendment 25 process to have him removed for incompetency.

    “There’s something about September. What is it?”

    I dunno…do a bunch of vax batches expire then? Need to move them off the shelf before then? IN the US could have to do with timing around start of school? Because of the unconscionable contracts governments signed, though (which I would argue should be repudiated as a matter of sovereign authority), it doesn’t matter to Big Pharma if they are actually used before expiry – govt still on the hook for payments (and in many cases they ordered doses multiple times the actual population – as much as 3-5 times in some places, nuts).

    I heard “full approval” would probably be coming in January (supposedly the earliest possible date based on current rules, but I wouldn’t doubt if they try to push that up as well).

  61. That’s a great and logical idea Dennis.

    If employers think they only have an obligatiin to keep you safe from this, then why not EVERYTHING ELSE that is much much worse? This can also be expanded to not only employment, but restaurants, malls, grocers, theaters etc. to see whether they are willing to logically follow this to the end.

    Might as well overwhelm them with impossible regulations. Please share that draft letter with Briggs so we can get the ball rolling on it.

  62. Can someone help me understand what I’m looking at on the All Cause Deaths graphs at the end? Briggs says:

    “Here are the week-on-week all cause deaths. See anything to panic about?”

    Erm…well…for a non-mathematician out here in the cheap seats (in the UK, incidentally)…yes? At the very least, that solid red line representing all-cause weekly deaths for 2020 is significantly higher than for the previous 10 years, right? Looking at the first peak at week 15 2020, it looks like an extra 20-25k people died that week – is that right? This then continues to be noticeably higher until almost right now (into the solid green line). Or are we saying that that the solid red line is unreliable, and that number of people didn’t really die? Genuinely looking to understand all this – I’ve had a particular problem with the reporting of the panicdemic on the BBC/ITV since this all began (I used to work in TV), but this side of things isn’t my strong suite. Thanks!

  63. Can someone help me understand what I’m looking at on the All Cause Deaths graphs at the end? Briggs says:

    “Here are the week-on-week all cause deaths. See anything to panic about?”

    Erm…well…for a non-mathematician out here in the cheap seats (in the UK, incidentally)…yes? At the very least, that solid red line representing all-cause weekly deaths for 2020 is significantly higher than for the previous 10 years, right? Looking at the first peak at week 15 2020, it looks like an extra 20-25k people died that week – is that right? This then continues to be noticeably higher until almost right now (into the solid green line). Or are we saying that that the solid red line is unreliable, and that number of people didn’t really die? Genuinely looking to understand all this – I’ve had a particular problem with the reporting of the panicdemic on the BBC/ITV since this all began (I used to work in TV), but this side of things isn’t my strong suite. Thanks!

  64. Rappaport continues to be right. There’s no evidence the virus they claim to be curing us from exists anywhere except on paper.

    They probably timed this nonsense to coincide with a new natural seasonal flu variant of people coming down with real symptoms and cases requiring adjustments to treatments, then juiced that with fraudulent testing to detect fragments the artificial Covid possessed like any cocid and then claiming “rightly” that the natural treatments didn’t cure the bullshit non existent virus they are scaring everyone with which in legalese has no treatment because it doesn’t exist. Yet everyone is presumed to have it.

    “Many people believe this means the CDC is giving up on the PCR test as a means of “detecting the virus.” I don’t think the CDC is saying that at all.

    They’re saying the PCR technology will continue to be used, but they’re replacing what the test is looking FOR with a better “reference sample.” A better marker. A better target. A better piece of RNA supposedly derived from SARS-CoV-2.

    CDC/FDA are confessing there has been a PROBLEM with the PCR test which has been used to detect the virus, starting in February of 2020—right up to this minute.

    In other words, the millions and millions of “COVID cases” based on the PCR test in use are all suspect.

    Translation: We, at the CDC, did not have a specimen of the SARS-CoV-2 virus when we concocted the PCR test for SARS-CoV-2. Yes, it’s unbelievable, right? And that’s the test we’ve been using all along. So we CONTRIVED samples of the virus. We fabricated. We lied. We made up [invented] synthetic gene sequences and we SAID these sequences HAD TO BE close to the sequence of SARS-CoV-2, without having the faintest idea of what we were doing, because, again, we didn’t have an actual specimen of the virus. We had no proof THERE WAS something called SARS-CoV-2.

    This amazing FDA document goes to say the Agency has granted emergency approval to 59 different PCR tests since the beginning of the (fake) pandemic. 59. And, “…it is not feasible to precisely compare the performance of various tests that used contrived specimens because each test validated performance using samples derived from different gene specific, synthetic, or genomic nucleic acid sources.”

    Translation: Each of the 59 different PCR tests for SARS-CoV-2 told different lies and concocted different fabrications about the genetic makeup of the virus—the virus we didn’t have. Obviously, then, these tests would give unreliable results.

    BUT, don’t worry, be happy, because NOW, the CDC and the FDA say, they really do have actual virus samples of SARS-CoV-2 from patients; they have better targets for the PCR test, and labs should start gearing up for the new and improved tests.

    In other words, they were lying THEN, but they’re not lying NOW. They were “contriving,” but now they’re telling the truth.

    If you believe that, I have Fountain of Youth water for sale, extracted from the lead-contaminated system of Flint, Michigan.”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/07/jon-rappoport/cdc-fda-confess-they-had-no-virus-when-they-concocted-the-test-for-the-virus/

  65. Mark –

    The red line spikes are most certainly juiced, but Brigg’s main point is that the pattern according to their own data where the red line decreased leading into the green is that the numbers are completely down and now below even the all cause for last year. So why the increasing panic and calls for more masks and lockdowns?

    Also as the red spikes proved the spike rose regardless of the implemented lockdowns and masks.

    The lockdowns and masks literally did nothing to stop it other than fanciful claims that things might’ve been worse.

    Not to mention deaths in 2020 likely spiked precisely because of government “solutions” like packing nursing homes, preventing and banning treatments, suicides etc. including concussions and motorcycle accidents marked down as covid.

    If anything, deaths are down as more things are opening up. So where is the increased panic coming from?

  66. Joy,

    “Infinity is just the limit of the imagination when intuition tells you that there’s no end to whatever the proposition at hand.”

    May I quote you on that? Because it is practically poetry.

  67. Joy: “I performed life saving CPR on one individual who hates me to the point where she wants me hurt, big time.” Obviously, you are a saint!

  68. Robin,

    The ZOE app (King’s College London) considers only true symptomatic cases, but the case counts of Vaxxed in their system surpassed the Unvaxxed about two weeks ago (for the first time) so they stopped publishing comparisons. But from this I get the impression that symptomatic cases of the Vaxxed can be understood to be higher than Unvaxxed in the UK.

    If 100% of people were vaccinated, then 100% of symptomatic COVID cases would be amongst the vaccinated (although the absolute number would be low). The fact that vaccinated COVID patients outnumber unvaccinated ones is exactly what we’d expect to happen as the percentage of vaccinated people increase. It’s also the case that an 80 year-old vaccinated person is still more likely to die from COVID than a 50 year-old unvaccinated person, because age is the main risk factor.

  69. JohnM,

    If wearing a mask is effective, the[n] why does one need to keep more than 1M from other people?

    If wearing a seatbelt is effective, why does one need to keep more than 1-2 car lengths from the car in front?

  70. Mark,
    Your comments about BBC and ITV mirror what many even most are saying.

    BBC and ITV /SKY news, have been deliberately muddying the water and trying to make things seem confusing. (Often, within five seconds of a clear explanation from the horses mouth they promote a narrative that’s contrary to what is being put across by those making decisions.)

    All cause mortality is going to be the way to assess the full effect and outcome of the pandemic, as pointed out by every single expert from the Downing Street podia and beyond, to the universities. This, they say, needs to be done after a year or two at least.

    Deaths for an average flu year for the UK is around seven to eleven thousand if I recall correctly.
    For the US it is thirty seven thousand.

  71. “If wearing a seatbelt is effective, why does one need to keep more tan 1-2 car lengths from the car in front?”

    My mother indoctrinated me in the wearing of seatbelts. For a long time, if I wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, I felt like I was in danger. It took me a really long time to untangle that. I try to go from my mailbox to my house without wearing it these days. I end up putting it back on because the beeping is so annoying. But I did finally manage to realize that it was ok to not wear a seatbelt when it was warranted.

    I know people who hiked 6 miles back out carrying their child on their back because they wouldn’t sit in the back of a truck with their child between their legs for fear of an accident. I tried to point at the risk involved. I backed off quickly. She was a mathlete.

    We have trained people to be afraid of small numbers. I have been in 3 accidents. The seatbelt helped in none of those cases. My wife was in an accident where the seatbelt did save her life.

    I will still wear my seatbelt. I also leave 6 seconds between me and the car ahead of me (maybe a little less). That space between me and the guy ahead of me has been useful in so many ways.

    That might make me appear to be over cautious. I wear my seatbelt and I leave as much space as reasonable between me and the cars around me. I am less worried about COVID than I am the idiots that drive around me.

    I am happy to accept that I am one of the idiots around everyone else.

    I am also happy to accept that if you aren’t coughing and sneezing all over me, I don’t really need to worry.

    I am leaning towards being a rebel if they reinstate the masks.

  72. Late update:

    I know a young man in the Army now. They’ve been coerced into taking the Covid shots. (You can’t make a man do anything he doesn’t want to, but you can make him want to do it.) So far, they’ve had close to 3% fatalities from the Covid vaccines, and about 30% with severe reactions requiring medical care or hospitalization. (Most of the rest just got really sick for three days.)

    These healthy young men were in no danger at all from the disease.

  73. Brad Tittle

    When I was a tyke (#6) in the late 50’s, early 60’s?, dad still had a sedan, three or four in front (if it was after 60, my sister – #7 – was on Mom’s lap. There were four in back and I rode in the rear window well. Night driving in the country was great as I could stargaze.

    McChuck – 3%? You got a source for that?

  74. The fact that vaccinated COVID patients outnumber unvaccinated ones is exactly what we’d expect to happen as the percentage of vaccinated people increase.

    So… the vaccines don’t do anything…

    If wearing a seatbelt is effective, why does one need to keep more than 1-2 car lengths from the car in front?

    In case the guy in front of you makes a sudden stop and you need time and distance to brake. The seatbelt doesn’t prevent the collision from taking place. Seatbelts do not prevent collisions or reduce the risk of a car in front on you making a sudden stop.

    Masks do not protect you from microscopic viruses. They are there to prevent liquids and phlegm.

    Seatbelts do not protect your car, nor prevent collisions. They are there to keep you from flying forward and smashing into you steering or windshield during a collision. They do not save you from glass or projectiles coming towards you.

    In certain scenarios, both masks and seatbelts can be hazardous to your health and survival.

    Medical masks and seatbelts serve specific purposes. Anyone who thinks that they can magically do anything other than what they were designed for is an idiot.

  75. “If 100% of people were vaccinated, then 100% of symptomatic COVID cases would be amongst the vaccinated ”
    Precisely.
    Isn’t there a proper mathematical (applied maths) term for this general situation of analysis?
    I bet there is. It strikes me as utterly basic.

    A Venn diagram might help! with pretty colours, glitter for the vaccinated.

  76. Baby poo green, or mustard (French)colour for the unvaccinated

    “The common denominator”
    Is age, when it comes to development of serious illness or dying from covid.
    Asymptomatic cases still occur with vaccinated people. So, you can test positive after HAVING the disease or after being vaccinated.
     
    Is anybody telling the virus off for not inoculating people properly? If not, why not?

  77. Johnno,

    So… the vaccines don’t do anything…

    I expected someone would reach the wrong conclusion. Your mistake may be comparing percentages against absolute numbers. As the *percentage* of vaccinated people increases, the *percentage* of vaccinated people being hospitalised increases also, but the *absolute number* of people being hospitalised decreases.

    In case the guy in front of you makes a sudden stop and you need time and distance to brake.

    I expected someone would miss the point of the analogy.

    Masks do not protect you from microscopic viruses. They are there to prevent liquids and phlegm.

    How can it possibly be that over a year into this pandemic, we still have people saying things this dumb? Liquids and phlegm *contain* viruses, we don’t exhale or cough up individual virus particles. (Also, if masks couldn’t stop viruses, then they also couldn’t stop far smaller oxygen and CO2 molecules, so there’d be no reason to complain about wearing masks either.)

    In certain scenarios, both masks and seatbelts can be hazardous to your health and survival.

    Again, you’re missing the point. It’s always possible for there to be an unlikely scenario where something designed to save lives actually kills people instead – some people have probably been killed in fires started by faulty smoke alarms, but that isn’t a rational reason not to have smoke alarms. In any case, I’m not aware of anyone being killed by wearing a medical mask.

  78. As the *percentage* of vaccinated people increases, the *percentage* of vaccinated people being hospitalised increases also, but the *absolute number* of people being hospitalised decreases.

    That’s not how this works. Even the boneheads in government know how to differentiate that if it were true. The fact remains that “vaccination” slowed down, in the USA at best it is 50/50, and I’m being generous. This is why Biden is getting desperate and sending foot soldiers to knock on people’s doors. The people who really wanted it have all got it, even twice, and they are the ones getting positive detections. The majority being sniffles. Yet the vaxxed are a greater percentage. Because… d’uh… the testing is designef to detect fragments of anything classed as belonging to the destroyer of worlds.

    The *absolute number* getting bugged is increasing amongst the vaccinated themselves at a rate GREATER than the unvaxxed.

    Hospitalizations across the board were already going down, because this thing was over by early 2020, long before government solutions and mrna shots came into play. Then rose even worse after lockdowns, and prevention of accessible treatments and packing the vulnerable and elderly together, also sticking to the pattern of seasonal flus, what a coinkidink!

    Then there are the closer to 100% “vaccinated” nations are the ones panicking the most, and have *absolute numbers* up higher as a percentage than countries that have lower rates.

    How are you going to spin that?

    The skeptics have been proven right again in their predictions, that the shots as they’ve been known to do, increase uptake of the disease, and are the source of the variants, which are milder, yet more dangerous to the vaxxed. We’re seeing that bear out.

    I expected someone would miss the point of the analogy.

    No, you simply made a bad one. A better one would be comparing vehicle distance to social distancing. The point you were trying to grasp at was caution, but the problem is that the masks don’t serve the purpose you think they do, therefore the analogy is flawed.

    Liquids and phlegm *contain* viruses, we don’t exhale or cough up individual virus particles. (Also, if masks couldn’t stop viruses, then they also couldn’t stop far smaller oxygen and CO2 molecules, so there’d be no reason to complain about wearing masks either.)

    Do yourself a favor and look up how “effectively” masks are at preventing aerosols and visible exhalations such as smoke through the material. You are of course aware that if the phlegm was effective in keeping all the viral matter trapped, then your own skin layers would be more than capable of halting anything than a piece of moisture absorbent cloth, correct? Pro-tip: 99.99% of masks out there are completely useless for what you think they do. Small amounts of plegm and large amounts of moisture still get through. Doctors do nor operate on patients if they are a little sick, even using the superior N95s, because that’s not what they are for. They exist for the same purposes as the smock, glasses, gloves and hat. Not for virus prevention.

    This is even borne in the data where we watched illnesses and deaths and positive cases rise merrily despite the increase of mask usage due to miserable mandates. Ergo, they prevented nothing, and you only have religious faith that they prevented armageddon. But we know your religion is bullshit because we watched things trend up and down in line with historic seasonal data regardless of mask usage worldwide and locally.

    I’m not aware of anyone being killed by wearing a medical mask.

    But you are aware of people getting infections, rashes, fungal diseases, respiratory problems, dizzying, fainting, increased claustrophobia/aggression/depression etc. Correct? Some of which can lead to long term chronic illnesses if prolonged but immediate deaths are unlikely because people intuitively know to just remove and stop wearing them. But there are also close calls with vehicle collisions due to fainting and breathing issues which so far have no reports of fatalities, but insurance sure isn’t covering for dumb people driving with a mask on and nobody has been dumb enough to mandate them when driving or operating heavy machinery. Wanna guess why?

  79. 1
    skin irritation is due to poor hygiene and overuse of the wrong product on the face ini treating chapping associated with wearing a mask.
    2
    fungal infections caused by increased humidity and altered local microbiology do no cause death, just itching and a discharge on the skin. This can be treated with cream.
    3 black fungus mucor has been increasing in prevalence in India, where overuse of steroids (for covid) has increased the fungal infection. This is always a risk and is not unique to covid 19, also nothing to do with masks.
    That fungal infection can cause death and serious permanent injury if not treated in time.
    4
    Claims of respiratory disturbance as made by Johno are bogus. Individuals with limited capacity are also not asked to wear masks. Patients of a nervous or mentally unstable disposition who might become “dizzy’ or “faint” at there’re thought of being near a mask. Just as so many are terrified of anything ‘medical’
    5
    Be sure the word mask isn’t being misrepresented for someone’s idea of a mask i.e. a plastic bag! Presumably when the vague argument about “masks’ is presented we’re all talking about actual masks designed to be breathed through!
    6
    Masks prevent particles of sputum carrying virus and water droplets which are captured by the gauze and slow the air flow by interrupting it, thus slowing the speed and distance of flow prior to the virus falling to the ground.

    Pretending to rescue people from masks for spurious nonsensical reasons of ‘deadliness’ Is one of the more desperate and ridiculous offerings of the skeptics.

    Social arguments and arguments for freedom have more merit as they are coming from a place of truth.

  80. Can’t wait to see the chaos Hollywood productions go through as “cases” rise and employees get pinged to stay home… then again, this is likely exactly why the CDC is abandoning the PCR test… which also means the entire basis of the pandemic is non-existent.

    The Walt Disney Company Will Require Non-Union and Salaried U.S. Employees to Be Vaccinated
    https://www.slashfilm.com/the-walt-disney-company-will-require-non-union-and-salaried-u-s-employees-to-be-vaccinated/

    Broadway in Hollywood Will Now Require Proof of COVID-19 Vaccination for Ticketholders at All Shows
    https://www.slashfilm.com/broadway-in-hollywood-covid-19-policy-updated-to-require-proof-of-vaccination/

  81. Hello, my name is Joy! I wear a mask!

    I, Joy, admit to all the problems Johnno just listed, but look! Here is some cream and ointments to apply to your face to solve all of the problems! So it’s all good!

    My name is Joy, and I put words in Johnno’s mouth where I said that Johnno said that all of the above problems cause deaths, except Johnno didn’t say that because Joy can’t read. She FEEELLLSSS!!!

    Did you know that individuals with problems are not required to wear masks?! It’s in the literature! Except when it comes to practical applications, people with problems are routinely mistrusted and discriminated against, because isn’t government amazing?! Everything in the real world works like clockwork!

    What are “actual masks” according to Joy? That’s what we would all like to know! Please Joy, tell us which masks are “actual masks” versus “not actual masks”! Oh boy would the public like access to “actual masks”! Are the “actual masks” and their manufacturer detailed in the government literature and on the warning signs before store entry? Hmmmmm????

    I’d like to see the “actual masks” that everyone has access to and are using where the gauze and the air flow technology “slow the speed and distance of flow”, are there some nice wind turbine Pratt and Whitney engine diagrams and simulation models that demonstrate this versus… oh… all the demonstrations online where we can clearly see moisture coming through the other side of the mask and how people are not only breathing it out but breathing it back in? Or just, I don’t know, actual common experience using these things?

    Can Joy back this up, or is this more of Joy’s FEEEEEEELLLLLIIINNNGGGSSSS?

  82. I just read your last line Johnno,
    Since your’e shouting again, I take that line as your response to the points above.

    Simple medical facts as stated above, are not up for debate except in a place like this.
    I’m still surprised at your believing the “important new paper” about the dangers of mask wearing.
     
    As for backing up anything. ask your chemist for advice, or your local practice nurse, or anybody with experience in treating infections or diagnosing them.
     
    Should you find you develop a nasty rash! take off your mask. Change the make or style, expose your face to the sunshine, Use non harsh or probiotic cleansers and antiseptic cream, remember not to wear the mask any tighter than necessary, to limit rubbing, if you’ve ever seen nappy rash, think of it like that!
    It’s hard to et it wrong, in fact.
    If you suspect a bacterial infection seek antibiotics or show our GP. Of course any untreated bacterial infection can be serious, even s fascial spot has been known to end in meningitis but we wouldn’t want to exaggerate herre would we?

  83. Meant:
    “If you suspect a bacterial infection seek antibiotics or show YOUR GP.   Of course any untreated bacterial infection can be serious, even a fascial spot has been known to end in meningitis but we wouldn’t want to exaggerate here, would we?

  84. Posted this on the previous week in error:
    July 31st 10:~~pm
    “Where vaccinated people are in a majority of a set or population:
    that factor is already a given/baked in, when it comes to observing the risk of serious illness or death, from an infectious disease, which already mostly affects older people.

    The risk is already in the age group. The numbers dying will always be majority elderly so it follows that (vaccination “leak” being known), it will not alter that bottom line balance of risk by age. The elderly were always going to be the ones who would less readily mount an immune response after vaccine. That’s just physiology of ageing.

    That is why I believe as Joseph said above, Briggs was being ‘sarcastic’.

    Once everybody, or approaching everybody has been vaccinated, the risk by age is then a function of the disease itself again. If ONLY the elderly were vaccinated, you would need to compare ONLY vaccinated elderly, with ONLY unvaccinated elderly.”

  85. Once everybody, or approaching everybody has been vaccinated, the risk by age is then a function of the disease itself again. If ONLY the elderly were vaccinated, you would need to compare ONLY vaccinated elderly, with ONLY unvaccinated elderly.”

    So as stated – the whole vaccination/lockdowns/masks campaign effectively CHANGED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – and we’re back to the elderly dying anyway as they normally would have. But now with perfectly young healthy people also getting blood clots and dropping dead from heart problems thanks to the vexx.

    Well we can even go a step further. We can compare the vaccinated elderly with the unvaccinated elderly. Turns out the majority getting ill are the vaccinated. Just like all the years before 2020 where issues with vaccine uptake were a demonstrable problem.

    Sweden once again is proven to have done the right thing by just letting things happen. The bump came and went. They are also not concerned about any “delta variant” either. Things are carrying on.

  86. As for backing up anything. ask your chemist for advice, or your local practice nurse, or anybody with experience in treating infections or diagnosing them.

    We have, there are even public interviews with many of them, including !experts! who’ve been willing to risk their careers and cancellation to tell us that the reasons for mask wearing are NOT to prevent viruses. Fauci was right the first time he said it. He wasn’t lying then. Even the BBC knows it, which is why they discovered that the mask mandates came from lobbyists and not medical experts. Masks work just as well as taking your shoes off for the TSA prevents terrorism and airline hijackings.

    What we are asking you to back up are the claims about masks preventing viruses and illnesses during a pandemic, and not that they stop some or even most of the spittle depending on the one you use. Not to mention why as Brigg’s data and all those charts he puts up demonstrates that mask mandates did absolutely nothing to stop cases from going up, and cases were going down with the same seasonal rhythm without masks. Because as far as I can see when they told us to “trust the science”, they meant the science of psychological operations and propaganda marketing. Nike and Levi Strauss should be jealous.

  87. => July 28th 07:49 pm paragraph three, re “true vaccines”
    Below is a transcript of what was “promised”. What it shows is that there has been no change ii expectations or misrepresentation of what was proposed and how vaccines are supposed to work.
    See a basic text book for further specific details about vaccination and their historical and contemporary use.
    Source? Yep! the old vacuous…
    RE “True”Vaccines:Strategies come in different forms:
    1 Epidemic modifying vaccines:
    2 Disease modifying vaccines:
     

    Epidemic modifying vaccine strategy is the one that most people think of: is where you have a vaccine that’s highly effective at preventing infection and which you can give to the whole population; and what that means is that everybody who’s vaccinate is protected against the infection and then if there are a few people who have not been vaccinated they are surrounded by people who have been vaccinated or have had infection and are immune and are therefore very *unlikely to come into contact directly or indirectly with someone who can pass on the infection. They are protected by this and there is this population immunity which leads to the epidemic going away.
     

    (This incidentally is the only situation where you would ever aim for herd immunity, population immunity as a policy aim. )
     

    You also can do epidemic modifying vaccines…use vaccines to target very high transmitting people…fairly unlikely to be useful in this particular infection where may people who transmit effectively have few risk factors and often few symptoms.
     

    …and there is a strategy, (which won’t work in my view for this particular infection), called ring vaccination but is effective for example in ebola, was effective for small pox, where you find someone with a disease and vaccinate around them…but these are unlikely relevant for covid 19 but the idea of a whole population vaccine strategy is certainly ver relevant and we’re clearly in the UK and every other country trying to find vaccines which can do this.
     

    But even if you can’t find a vaccine which actually is sufficiently effective and sufficiently safe you can give it to the whole population; you may get a vaccine which is a disease modifying vaccine. It may be a less good vaccine, partially effective or it may gave enough side effects you may not want to give it to everybody but you would give it to people who are at high risk…and this could have a very important role, particularly if it reduces the severity of disease even if it can’t stop infection.
     

    So some vaccines: You can give someone the vaccine, it won’t necessarily stop them getting infected, but it can reduce the risks of them getting complications. Most people listening to this will probably at some point, certainly in the UK, have had a BCG vaccination or at least a significant proportion will have had a BCG vaccination. This may not stop them from getting infected with TB but is very likely to stop them for example getting a TB meningitis.
     

    So some vaccines can protect against disease, without being fully effective in stopping infection.
     

    This could be therefore very useful for high risk groups. So we know who the people are who are at high risk of getting covid. We could vaccinate all of them. We could vaccinate, for example, health care workers and that would significantly reduce the chance that people die of this infection even if the infection was still circulating in the population. Clearly less of a satisfactory solution than a whole population one but maybe what we would need to use.
     
    Other solutions include drugs: for Treatment and prophylaxis.
    Antivirals;
    anti inflammatories; (immune modifying / immunosuppressants)
    antibodies against the virus.
     
    *original lecture misspoken as “likely”.

  88. “So some vaccines can protect against disease, without being fully effective in stopping infection.”

    But what if, instead of stopping infection, it increases infection? The effect is call Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) and it has been a consistent problem in corona virus vaccine research.

    That’s not the only stumbling block, of course.

  89. “Baby poo green, or mustard (French) colour for the unvaccinated”?

    Babies don’t normally poo green or mustard (French or English) for that matter. Not if they’re healthy, that is.

    Where in the UK are you from again?

  90. The first poo a babu does, is green, known all over the world as baby poo green
    My brother tells a story about when his little boy was still presenting that kind of work.
    He said one day, when changing him he was presented with a
    🙂
    looking up at him! (a sticker, of course)
    I believe the green poo has to do with the liver excreting bile associated with the separation from the placenta or some other factor with which I am sure wickipedia will furnish you.

  91. Philemon,
    What makes you think it’s easy in medicine?
    “But what if, instead of stopping infection, it increases infection? The effect is call Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) and it has been a consistent problem in corona virus vaccine research.”
    That there’s a TLA *triple letter abbreviation) gives extra heft when trying to promote an negative slant on something.

    The quote is not an all encompassing text book lesson on vaccines, nor was that the point of the lecture at the time. The point is to show, alas, to deaf. ears, what was promised and what was claimed along with the state of the science in general and how one might go about finding solutions. That there is so much contradiction from what’s being claimed on a weekly and sometimes daily basis is lost on people who just won’t see the truth.

    Re flu vaccines. The flu vaccination ‘scheme’ is successfully prolonging life expectancy. It is one of the reasons that there ARE so many older individuals vulnerable now to the new virus.
    They are constantly updated and rolled out in response to the activity in the viral population, WITHIN the population.
    Stumbling blocks are all around, not a reason to do nothing or with hold life saving treatment. *if that’s what your’e suggesting, as it isn’t clear

  92. Johnno, you are hopelessly lost in the politics.
    The reason why a mask is “mandated’
    Is not the same as the reason for wearing a mask.

    Yet at this point you are just incapable, it seems, of separating the two. Angry to the point of apoplexy while ironically repeatedly talking about feelings.
    Since you claimed a while back that you never read my comments, you do a good impression of someone who does the opposite. Just a wild guess.

  93. The answer’s in this video, re ALL of population vaccinated also making up the set of those in hospital, testing positive, dying, of covid:
    I think the word subset was the one I was looking for
    https://youtu.be/uR70knMr2Hg

    Other cool videos exist on youtube including yay math. No glitter though, shame

  94. Joy,

    Somehow, I have never heard of babies pooping green. Most interesting. Would appreciate it if you could provide some more information about it.

    “Babu” is a sweet name for a baby.

    “Re flu vaccines. The flu vaccination ‘scheme’ is successfully prolonging life expectancy. It is one of the reasons that there ARE so many older individuals vulnerable now to the new virus.”

    That is also very interesting. I was under the impression that the flu vaccine(s) was not indicated for people over 65 years old. Older people have lower immune response; so, a vaccine might not have been efficacious for them, anyway. Especially, if, in their long life, they had already encountered and were immune to that variant of the virus.

  95. Philemon,
    Well, the reason (it) is normally brown is because of the bilirubin excreted and unwanted by the liver. Bile goes the same way and is also used to emulsify fat on its way along the intestines. The appearance of the green is something to do with the liver function of the baby. Haemoglobin also changes at birth so their is breakdown of the kind of blood needed by the baby prior to and after birth. Like an oil change! It’s the same kind of reason why babies eyes turn from blue/violet to boring colours after a time. Toxins deposited in the iris.
    I was under the impression that the flu vaccine(s) was not indicated for people over 65 years old.
    No, in the UK there are several groups who are ‘entitled’ to a free vaccine. The over 65’s (was 70’s, changed last year I think) being one group, those with other conditions which put them at a higher risk of serious illness such as type 1 diabetes, the immunosuppressed, (other specific diseases affecting the respiratory and cardiovascular system) those with reduced mental capacity (downs syndrome and mentally disabled), healthcare workers and carers of any of the vulnerable adults or children.
    So it’s specifically targeted at individuals who are not so good at fighting a flu infection or taking action to prevent catching bugs (those with reduced capacity).
     
    Pneumonia is offered as a one off shot for over 75’s, was over eighties. *They make up the vast majority of patients who are admitted to hospital for pneumonia. Some patients will not fit into a given category for specific reasons and they will decide with their Dr whether or not to vaccinate. So there is flexibility and nobody is coerced into doing anything. Jabs start in October and go on through to spring for the latest flu strains. The latter are picked up by sequencing in preceding months. I always advise my Mum and Dad to get a jab early and the surgery used to set aside a couple of days to cram hundreds of patients into a small time window. The Uk’s well practiced at roll out. It’s old hat and many don’t take up the offer…many.

    As for being alive for along time and having been exposed to different bugs, this is of course true but it is also true that you can catch flu more than once, of course, at any age. That the body’s reaction is less efficient in older patients means that vaccination is absolutely indicated for that reason.

  96. Still waiting for the explanation of the baby pool

    “It’s the same kind of reason why babies eyes turn from blue/violet to boring colours after a time.” Oh, come, now. Lots of people have blue/violet eyes. Of course, epigenetics can make eyes even more interesting.

    Sorry, but, I have to admit that I am curious about where you are located in the UK?

    ‘That the body’s reaction is less efficient in older patients means that vaccination is absolutely indicated for that reason.’

    No. It is contra-indicated. Older patients are less likely to have any immune response, either because they’re already immune, or because their immune system is no longer as sensitive that way.

    The flu vaccines were never widely taken. So your idea that they made a difference is somewhat questionable.

  97. Philemon,
    Not sure who or what you are since you’re a popup character.
    No use saying something’s contraindicated when it is not.
    You need to check your sources.
    As for your repeated request for me to give out personal information, well refer to my first response to that.

    One point I would like to re state is that the vaccine was never intended to prevent re-infection. It is intended to improve outcomes for patients.

    It has been overtly stated hundreds of times. Nobody can in good faith, claim otherwise n this matter.
    That yours or other people’s expectations are dashed by promoting something else about the vaccination is neither here nor there.
    The worst part is the lying about what is presented. It is lying at this stage and refusal to look at the data which is being presented. Big shame, in both senses of the word

  98. philemon,

    The flu vaccines were never widely taken.

    According to Public Health England, figures for 2019-2020 flu season:

    Currently, 71.6% of adults over 65, 43.1% of adults with a long-term health condition, 42.8% of pregnant women, 41.8% of 3-year-olds and 41.1% of 2-year-olds have received the flu vaccine.

    That doesn’t sound like “never widely taken” to me. Did you lie deliberately, or were you just too lazy to do a 30 second fact check on google?

  99. Joy,

    The worst part is the lying about what is presented. It is lying at this stage and refusal to look at the data which is being presented. Big shame, in both senses of the word.

    Absolutely agree. These people are spreading lies which could result in people dying. It is despicable, and they have no excuse.

  100. swordfishtrombone: “That doesn’t sound like ‘never widely taken; to me. Did you lie deliberately, or were you just too lazy to do a 30 second fact check on google?”

    Oh, in England. Never thought of doing a google search for that. Sorry.

    Joy: “It’s the same kind of reason why babies eyes turn from blue/violet to boring colours after a time. Toxins deposited in the iris.” Toxins? In the iris? Never heard that one before. Are you sure?

    Joy: “One point I would like to re state is that the vaccine was never intended to prevent re-infection. It is intended to improve outcomes for patients.” Wouldn’t a real vaccine prevent infection to begin with?

    Joy: “As for your repeated request for me to give out personal information, well refer to my first response to that.” Oh, I’m sorry, I must have missed it. Really didn’t think of it as “personal”; just curious to know what part of the UK you were living in so as to adjust for what you might have experienced. Obviously, I understood that you were not a native.

  101. Joy: More on why I call these not :”true” vaccines. They are leaky, and that makes them very dangerous for all concerned (vaxed and unvaxed).

    Dr. Robert Malone, who played a role in inventing mRNA tech, but has been outspoken against these “vaccines” being rushed to market, recently linked an article about this: Malone here: https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1420496943445336068 Leaky vax article here (from 2015, so not distorted through lens of Covid, as so much “science” reporting is now. They’d probably be accused of being “anti-vaxxers” if they published this today. I’m actually surprised they haven’t pulled it from their site): https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/could-some-vaccines-make-diseases-more-deadly.

    Though it must be said the article draws the wrong conclusion from the leaky vax problem. The writer just wants more and more jabs to fight the more virulent strains leaky vaxes produce. The better option is not to inject people with leaky vaxes that help produce more virulent strains in the first place, and let the original or weaker variants of the virus burn themselves out through natural herd immunity instead.

    As this guy asked in response (https://twitter.com/JFGariepy/status/1420591978002141185): “Very interesting. Takeaway: in birds, vaccinated birds ended up killing unvaccinated birds because they were capable of carrying the most deadly strains of a virus. Will the rights of the unvaccinated against this environmental aggression be respected if it happens in humans?”

    We are seeing reports (even Fraudci confirms – he can only attempt to suppress so much truth and lie so much, I guess) everywhere now of much higher viral loads in the vaxed (thus making the vaxers the bigger spreaders as well). Is it ADE, leaky vax, or both casuing this higher viral load? Frankly I’d be more concerned being around vaccinated than unvaccinated people at this point.

  102. Swordfish,
    What can you do but just keep telling the truth…see the Welshman in the news today 43, died, antivaccine, believed it was too soon to be rolled out and was experimental. Before he died his sister said he was ‘beating himself up’ for not taking the vaccine. Too late.
    Dennis,
    You refused to engage on the premise of the vaccines yet you are trying to argue about them with a premise of your own. That’s a strange kind of debate.
    “leaking vaccines” is the nature of vaccines. All leak, measles, mumps rubella, TB,…small pox was eradicated by careful deployment via ring vaccination. Antibiotics “leak” too!
    The explanation about the vaccine deployment and different ways of affecting spread were covered in the quote above. So all I can say is that those who are obviously against vaccination of any kind are obviously going to have a problem with this one. Those people have a kind of religious belief about them. The people of interest to me are those who think this situation is different from other kinds of programmes.
     
    What you is missing from much of the controversy, is that in the UK most have been given the AZ vaccine. Not an MRNA vaccine. It is, or was ten times cheaper than the MRNA vaccines. There has been much pharmaceutical politics playing out in public and more revelation to come in time. It still has little bearing on the vaccine principle in general.
     
    So understanding the (argument premise) in each retort and response is quite important.
    Given enough time, and a private, non chopped up debate, I don’t think you would disagree. Pride is getting in the way in much of this now and that’s rarely sorted out in public. When arguing with activists, anything goes because ‘it’s war’. Whilst I understand that sentiment, I can’t see it is anything but destructive and the only way of sorting all of this out is by the truth. I’m not at war with anyone. My feet are on the ground.

    FYI to whom it may concern:
    I booked two flu jabs and two booster shots for covid 19 for my parents since posting here before.
    Up to date:
    Over 50’s are entitled to a flu vaccine from this year.
    vaccination starts on 20th September, appointments already taken up until early October at my local surgery and is the one where I worked for five years. They now have over twenty thousand patients on their books and had seventeen and a half when I was in-house physio, alone, for much of the time.

  103. “what you is missing’!! sounds like Ali G, sorry
    and the welshman was 42, from memory, that was a typo, did not google to check his age. Need bump-ons on the keyboard

  104. Yeah, sorry Joy, but I think Dr. Robert Malone knows a bit more bout the risks of mRNA “vaccines” and the problem with them beating “leaky.” You think he doesn’t know they are not the only one, or that that somehow makes these more acceptable? Coupled with the rushed mRNA tech, it may just make them even worse than a typical leaky vaccine.

    Good to see you’re doing your part to promote the Big Pharma “booster” business. Do they offer a family plan bulk discount?

    Imagine praising swordfishbone as a “truth teller.” LOL.

  105. Dennis are you playing expert top trumps?

    “You think he doesn’t know they are not the only one, or that that somehow makes these more acceptable? Coupled with the rushed mRNA tech, it may just make them even worse than a typical leaky vaccine.”
    From that first sentence I take it you are in fact an antivaxer full stop, (Covid aside).

    I like Swordfish’s comments because they are always rational and logical . He does not misrepresent himself, is always polite, even when the comments are beyond the pale and atrocious. He has also added some very funny comments at times!

    I personally find it helpful to have my own logic questioned or corrected at times when it comes to statements claimed as ‘true’. When it comes to my own life experience or clinical experience, I don’t need any help with what is true. I
    As for religious belief, that is faith. Absolute truth is something which all sane people are supposed to be moving towards, or swayed by
     
    The recent treatment that Swordfish has received is still outstanding in its effect and shame on the individuals who partake in that kind of behaviour. Cowardly and disgusting

  106. I will take a look at the two links you provided and refer you to your response when asked to take a look at graphs presented in a time window no more than one minute…less if you freeze the video and just look.
    Then, when provided with a direct quote from the same presentation regarding the Delta Variant, you skipped by the quote by saying again you refuse to listen to a video. Yet the video was provided merely to prove the veracity of the quote.

    You said you wouldn’t look at such information because
    1 you don’t like the source,
    2 you don’t have enough time.
    So…double standard there.
     
    Like I said, since you don’t seem to be unreasonable (maybe I deleted that part of my comment but feel like I said it here or somewhere else,!)
    I therefore believe given enough time you wouldn’t disagree, on matters of fact.

  107. “ From that first sentence I take it you are in fact an antivaxer full stop, (Covid aside).”

    I wasn’t before, and of course I had all the typical childhood vaccines of the late ‘70s and early ‘80s (but I have never had a flu shot, nor would I ever get an mRNA shot for Covid or anything else), but seeing the utter corruption of the medical profession, and the “public health” and scientific establishments during the past 18 months, and looking into past examples as well, has me thinking twice about not only all vaccines (RFK Jr. is doing some great and compelling work in that arena, especially on the explosion in the number of vaccines now typically given to kids, dangerous ingredients, and the correlation with the rise in autism, etc – much as I generally detest the Kennedy clan, he almost redeems them!), but much of modern allopathic medicine and the Big Pharma medical-industrial complex in general (especially how they came about through the market and science-corrupting role played by so-called philanthropic foundations, such as the Rockefeller Foundation’s role the in the rise of the AMA and Big Pharma in the 1920s, basically the Gates Foundation of its time, and certainly a big influence on Mr. Bill.

    Speaking of Mr. Bill, did anyone see how uncomfortable he looked on CNN with Federson C(IA)ooper yesterday when asked about whether it’s important to know the origin of SARS-COV2 (he still absurdly claims the lab origin theory not likely – LOL) or how excited he looked when he said every country should strive to be like Australia (which is now a complete police-state tyranny over a mere handful of “cases” and 1 death)? Utter psychopath. Belongs in a starvation cell with Fraudci, Baric, Daszak, and Shi Zhengli (would be fun to see who takes the Count Ugolino option and is the last one standing. My guess is Gates gets eaten first, since his money will be no good there).

  108. I wasn’t before, and of course I had all the typical childhood vaccines of the late ‘70s and early ‘80s (but I have never had a flu shot, nor would I ever get an mRNA shot for Covid or anything else),.
    After that, the rest is politics.
    Lumping all healthcare providers in your own designated arbitrary bin is silly and you know it.
     
    Bill Gates is a separate consideration to anything Covid, even if he DOES haves own personal money invested in any way in the entire debacle.
    Have you altered your opinion about asymptomatic infection? Do you see what is meant by that term?
     
    Re not having a flu jab, that makes you similar to many people and you are exercising your right in saying no to flu vaccination. Same for Covid. The current fighting and wrangling over ‘mandates’ and discriminatory treatment for non vaccinated patients is actually a veiled attack on the right wing Christians in the US. It will fade as covid fades into the background along with flu and pneumonia, TB and the rest. Have a little faith.
     
    There are much bigger problems in the world even than covid, whichever ‘side’ you’re on. Although covid is. money spider for many, it seems, right now.

  109. Philemon,
    see the following description about how the eye colour appears visually and the section at the bottom about how the pigment develops.
    Genetic differences in how melanin is deposited will directly affect the colour of the eye.
     
    There is a spectrum of eye colour and this has to do with the amount of melanin.
    I was not making a case for no adults having blue eyes.
    The point I was making is that all eyes darken and it is governed by deposition of what is known as pigment but I called toxins. They are byproducts of metabolism.
    All physiology is genetic, if you want to put it that way. I was describing the process. There is a relationship between iron and melanocytes. Not to be mixed with the effect of jaundice where skin and eyes look yellow. I was specifically talking about the iris. Both incidentally *jaundice and melanin production, are affected by sunlight.
    https://www.familyeducation.com/genetics-pregnancy/will-my-babys-eye-color-change

  110. Bill Gates’ role in Covid the entire medical and public health industry (and suborning of media – through foundation subsidies that help keep dying legacy media afloat – to do his bidding as well, witness the fawning coverage Federson gives him at CNN, among others. BBC is in his pocket as well) is vastly more nefarious than just a bit of “personal money invested in any way in the entire debacle” (as if he’s just a passive investor who got lucky when he backed Moderna, etc!).

    “Have a little faith.” In governmental entities and global corporations that want to destroy every remaining semblance of liberty and turn everyone into slaves of a totalitarian technocratic global surveillance state (all in the name of the slaves’ “health and safety,” of course, and for which Covid is just the first step)? You think more things won’t be added to the “health passports” and CCP-style global Social Credit scheme in the works? Think the nefarious actors behind all this will just let it “fade into the background”? I’d like to HOPE you’re right, but the reality is I think you are being far too sanguine about any of this insanity ending soon and just “fading into the background” (if they wanted to let it fade into the background, that could have been done already through natural immunity and dialing back mass testing, and telling people the truth about actual Covid risk – especially to those under 75 w/out co-morbidities – etc., instead of endless scaremongering…but instead they keep recurring cycles of fear and paranoia going through manipulating “testing” and “scariant” claims). No…they’ve had too great a bite at the arbitrary power apple, and they want more, and won’t stop until they’ve eaten it all…and, sadly, most people are actually just mindless sheeple who seems content to let them, so long as they have their sportsball and Netflix superhero movies to keep them entertained between soul-crushing shifts at Globohomo Inc.

    “Have you altered your opinion about asymptomatic infection? Do you see what is meant by that term?”

    Not sure what brought this issue up again here. As I think we’ve discussed it long before. One could, of course, be “infected” without symptoms (i.e. the immune system does what it is designed to do and the person who comes in contact with some virus doesn’t get sick), but that doesn’t make one a “case” (as typically defined before Covid, when it was re-defined to boost numbers, fear, and paranoia), nor is such a person likely to have enough viral load to be contagious to others (“asymptomatic but still contagious” just isn’t a thing). So-called “asymptomatic cases” being pushed as part of the Covid paranoia racket are the issue (especially the creation of “cases” through mass high-cycle PCR-testing of asymptomatic people), not “asymptomatic infection” as your verbal slight-of-hand calls it now. And no, I have not altered my opinion: There is no such thing as an “asymptomatic case.” If you have no symptoms of illness, you are not a “case.”

    You work in health care. In all your years, have you ever heard a patient come in and say, “Hey Doc, I feel great and have no symptoms of anything, but I’m really worried I may have an asymptomatic case of flu (or whatever), could you give me a test just to be sure?” The Doc would most likely give him a referral to a shrink.

  111. .
    “Have you altered your opinion about asymptomatic infection? Do you see what is meant by that term?”

    One could, of course, be “infected” without symptoms (i.e. the immune system does what it is designed to do and the person who comes in contact with some virus doesn’t get sick), but that doesn’t make one a “case” (as typically defined before Covid, …
    That kind of rationale describing the labelling of ‘cases’ is conspiratorial.
     
    It is also wrong to say that asymptomatic patients/people, do not spread covid.
    I referred in the past to “asymptomatic infection” and you vociferously disagreed, yet it seems you do know what is intended by the term. There’s no sleight of hand on my part whatsoever? I’m trying to show where the point of agreement is.
     
    nor is such a person likely to have enough viral load to be contagious to others (“asymptomatic but still contagious” just isn’t a thing).
     
    Where did you get that information from? One main reason as to why this disease is more problematic to control is precisely that it is infectious when people don’t know they are ill. It is spread through close contact as with other viruses, through the hands, to mouth, eyes and nose. From touching objects, knobs and buttons or close physical contact.
     
    So-called “asymptomatic cases” being pushed as part of the Covid paranoia racket are the issue (especially the creation of “cases” through mass high-cycle PCR-testing of asymptomatic people), not “asymptomatic infection” as your verbal slight-of-hand calls it now.
    No Dennis you’re the one changing the terms. There is no sleight of hand as there is no need of it. You have a thing about it but attempts to show you how this has been calculated and how it works (here), results in spurious claims of “they’re all in it together!” ( THAT is paranoia); rather than understanding that a situation outside of your own country might be used to demonstrate that the data is not collected in the same way the world over. Maybe your country messed up? They certainly had a lot of substandard and bad, Del’boy tests masquerading as tests in the mix, before you get to what the CDC did or didn’t do.
    And no, I have not altered my opinion: There is no such thing as an “asymptomatic case.” If you have no symptoms of illness, you are not a “case.”
    Dennis, you did claim there is no such thing as asymptomatic infection. (Which is why the clarifying, not to get you, but to move the understanding forward). If it mattered that much, I’d scroll back through our discussions but the point is more important than you agreeing on the terms.

    The correct term is “subclinical”
    It is not uncommon for patients to have any kind of disease and be unaware.
    A fracture, for example; appendicitis. So, sin some instances, a condition which does require intervention, ideally. There are others who have for example evidence of previous illness about which they were unaware. This is just a fact of life. Clinical people don’t get used about things not fitting the text book example all the time. That is. The nature of the field.

    Only the skeptics are claiming that ‘cases’ means something other than whatever happens to make up the bundle of data in question at the time. The news speaks of cases as you describe, in full alarm mode. If I see a list of “cases” I’m not thinking what you claim, for example. I want to know who’s data it is. Which country are we talking about, is it sampling data or all test together and all the rest. The point is that if you can bring yourself to move beyond ‘cases’ chat, you might as well consider that those individuals have tested positive for co vid. You then might assume that many, if you don’t know otherwise, may. Be false positives or double tested but again you do need all of the accompanying information. When sampling is done for purpose of really knowing what’s going on in the community at large, it does nobody any good not to have good information, reliable and accurate numbers. Great efforts were made here to get as close to goo d information as possible. Early on that was impossible. Any disagreement with any of that?

    You work in health care. In all your years, have you ever heard a patient come in and say, “Hey Doc, I feel great and have no symptoms of anything, but I’m really worried I may have an asymptomatic case of flu (or whatever), could you give me a test just to be sure?” The Doc would most likely give him a referral to a shrink
    Well, patients presented to me and others all the time thinking they’ve got some form of hideous galloping thing. They don’t all need shrinks. They are being human. They need an explanation and some do need in estimations.
     
    It has long been a bug bear of mine that the media gets it wrong on healthcare. It makes extra work and spreads unnecessary fear in the public. So we’re used to it, maybe it is just writ large for those who don’t usually involve themselves in clinical matters. Since pain exists where the patient thinks it does, if someone thinks they have a problem then they really do, it’s just finding where the problem is. Most of the time in the kind of example you’re giving it is just reassurance that people are looking for. That has always made up a not small part of the workload of primary care.

  112. Correction , there were more…

    They don’t all need shrinks. They are being human. They need an explanation and some do need investigation, all need a proper assessment.
     
    then might assume that many, if you don’t know otherwise, may be false positives, or double tested but again, you do need all of the accompanying information.

  113. “That kind of rationale describing the labeling of ‘cases’ is conspiratorial.”

    LOL! Eighteen months into this, and you still think mass abuse of high-cycle PCR tests, and the mislabeling of all PCR positives as “cases,” even when unaccompanied by symptoms, is “conspiratorial”? Good grief.

    “Where did you get that information from?”

    Among other places, the extensive Univ. of Florida study which demonstrated that “asymptomatic spread” is really not a thing.

    “Well, patients presented to me and others all the time thinking they’ve got some form of hideous galloping thing…”

    Perhaps you missed the “have no symptoms of anything” part of the hypothetical. A sane person presenting no symptoms would not also be convinced he has “some form of hideous galloping thing,” and would indeed be shrink referral material. But when it comes to Covid, public health officials, politicians, etc., are asking people with no symptoms routinely to present themselves for testing anyway on a mass scale. Complete societal psychosis. The whole damn world need a shrink!

  114. No, not Lol Dennis, you are just in the wrong.
    To confuse bad managers, bad or opportunistic actors with a worldwide conspiracy, is erm, quixotic? To put it nicely. Incompetence is more likely. Although let it be said that the medical profession isn’t waiting for armchair moaners and ungrateful lay people to give their critique
    It’s all going to be over and thank goodness we *everyone, won’t have to hear the moaning and complaining from the media, the journalists on both the left and the right.

     
    Technical phrase
    “not a thing”
    So it does seem that you’re playing top trumps with ‘experts’ who you have decided agree with your bias.
    Do you still maintain that testing all over the world is corrupt and that all countries are engaged in an international scheme for world domination? Or something? You think that after eighteen months of following what’s actually been happening I ought t o subscribe to the conspiracy theory? I’s not about to happen.
     
    there was an experiment done at imperial college about how the virus spreads through a household. Not that the experiment hasn’t been done umpteen times before, but given that it was a new virus they did the experiment again. (As you do).
    Patients had caught the virus before some in the household even knew they had the disease.
    Asymptomatic contagion was the main reason for altering the advice early on from that which would normally be given for flu. Asymptomatic contagion is not uncommon. See mumps.
     
    It does not take a “high viral load”. to pass on infection.
    recall that infection is spread in different ways but the entry points are the same. Imagine being in a house with someone a parent with a child or a husband and wife team, intimacy also spreads the virus.
     
    Recall the quote from early March 2020, when the Uk could not test for the virus in any meaningful numbers.
    “The only thing worse than no test is a bad test”
    At which time the WHO was pushing test test test. The media got involved, which includes Twitter and skeptical activists, and mixed it all up.
    That we have, on record, more than once, emphasis on the importance of good tests and the method of gathering the data was so carefully explained here, it still isn’t enough to demonstrate to you that all that could be done with available resources, was done.
     
    To believe that the entire world’s medical profession is acting in bad faith and out to harm people is nutty.
    What is happening is a lot of confirmation bias on behalf of the ones who believe in conspiracy.

  115. What has been done to the world for the past 18 months (the greatest collective crime against humanity ever), continues unabated in many places (NYPost has a report today on a 6-man swat team sent to arrest a guy and giving him a heart attack – for walking outdoors without a face muzzle), and is ramping-up again in more places where it had seemed basically over (and with many people calling for endless restrictions, medical apartheid & passports, etc.), is the result of more than mere incompetence, bad management, or a few “opportunists.”

    If you’re still at that stage of analysis and understanding of where the world is right now, I can’t help you.

    As for, “ Although let it be said that the medical profession isn’t waiting for armchair moaners and ungrateful lay people to give their critique.”

    At this point, after all we’ve seen for the past 18 months, the medical profession can get fu*ked. I hold only politicians (and perhaps most of my fellow lawyers) in lower regard than the average medical or public health professional these days.

  116. Forgot media/journalists above. They may be lower than politicians. Perhaps even lower than whale sh*t on the ocean floor.

  117. I don’t need your help Dennis, you need help understanding what has happened and why.; where there is wrongdoing and where there are just the facts of life and epidemiology. If you cannot bring yourself to look at information which would divest you of some or even one of your preconceptions then it is sure evidence that you’re in some way fearful that you might actually be shown to be wrong on something. If it is all so terrible, why would you not want to be shown to be wrong? Pride? or fear of finding a separate reason for why you feel so angry and so aggressive?

    Blaming medical staff is evidence of your general approach to all of this.

  118. Oh, Joy: “Genetic differences in how melanin is deposited will directly affect the colour of the eye.

    “There is a spectrum of eye colour and this has to do with the amount of melanin.
    I was not making a case for no adults having blue eyes.
    The point I was making is that all eyes darken and it is governed by deposition of what is known as pigment but I called toxins. They are byproducts of metabolism.”

    But, Joy, why would you call pigments “toxins”? Especially if you knew there were genetic factors as you claim you did, but did not seem to be aware of before. And “byproducts of metabolism” means what, exactly? Sorry, but I’m not taking any medical advice from you after you have shown yourself to be ignorant of the most basic genetic education.

    In any case, “all eyes darken” is not true.

  119. Dear Joy: “The appearance of the green is something to do with the liver function of the baby. Haemoglobin also changes at birth so their is breakdown of the kind of blood needed by the baby prior to and after birth. Like an oil change! It’s the same kind of reason why babies eyes turn from blue/violet to boring colours after a time. Toxins deposited in the iris.”

    You know, Joy, that it sounds like an old wives’ tale. Maybe something you heard when you were a girl?

  120. From the two most progressive college professors prior to 2017

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgHxcDav9eo

    Despite the sh*t hitting the fan everywhere, why Sweden?

    Don’t give me population density … 88% live in urban areas …
    Only 82% of UK live in urban areas … 92% of Netherlands live in urban areas

    Sweden had a blip of 10 more serious cases … Netherlands serious cases continue to rise … UK serious cases almost quadrupled and are now dropping (as deaths rise) …

  121. Philemon,
    If you think that anyone on earth didn’t know about genetics affecting eye colour then you are a very unusual person.
    Why would I call it a toxin? because it is a deposit laid down at the back of the iris and that is how I view it. The same as saying that bile is a toxin. It’s a byproduct that happens to have another use, strictly speaking not a tixin but you don’t want to have too much of it building up. Do you want to make something of this?

    All eyes darken is true, it just doesn’t notice in babies with darker eyes to start with. See the magazine article I linked! Or check a medical book.

    Re: genetic differences in deposition of melatonin:
    You do realise that ALL cellular activity is driven by genetics? Ultimately?
    What is it that you think drives the difference in deposition ? Do you know that there is a direct relationship between activity in the skin and the liver? The eyes and the liver? the gut and the liver? and on and on?
    Probably not.

  122. No Philemon,
    You are a very odd character. Are you too lazy to check with google?
    I thought you were John B in disguise.

    Go and ask someone who’s female who has had a baby.
    It is just general knowledge.
    The colour is described as a kaki (english kaki not the sandy colour as we also label that colour differently in the uk).
    Sorry to be right again, on such an important matter.

  123. John b
    Up to 2:37 she is not saying anything we didn’t know a year ago.
    Why are you people so slow on the uptake?

  124. John b
    Up to 2:37 she is not saying anything we didn’t know a year ago.
    Why are you people so slow on the uptake?
    This comment may appear twice…

  125. Deaths are not rising in the uk as serious cases drop.
    The death rate is falling and just as was predicted, and stated, here, the numbers of cases and infections has risen as the country opens up and goes back to normal.
    What is your obsession with Sweden?
    Have you looked at the death per million for Sweden and then compared it with the Netherlands?
    Is this about lockdowns again?

  126. “If you think that anyone on earth didn’t know about genetics affecting eye colour then you are a very unusual person.”

    Actually, I think I am an unusual person, but I think you are even more unusual.

    “Why would I call it a toxin? because it is a deposit laid down at the back of the iris and that is how I view it. The same as saying that bile is a toxin. It’s a byproduct that happens to have another use, strictly speaking not a tixin but you don’t want to have too much of it building up. Do you want to make something of this?:

    A “tixin”, a “toxin”, yeah, I think I want to make something of this. You were so completely sure of babies’ blue eyes changing because of “toxins”, and your explanation is completely inadequate. Oh, you knew about the genetics now, but, oh, you knew about melatonin now too. I don’t think so. I think you are ignorant.

    All eyes darken is true, it just doesn’t notice in babies with darker eyes to start with. See the magazine article I linked! Or check a medical book.

  127. Sweden is 24th out of around 48 European countries with regards to deaths per million.
    They also have a very poor rate of infection control looking at the cases per million.
    They have also not been providing data in any regular manner.
     
    At the moment there is not considered to be a genetic component as the reason for ethnic minorities and black people suffering higher rates of serious illness and death due to covid. It is believed to be due to lifestyle and other local factors. Perhaps in time, it will be shown certain genetic causes. It’s true of a lot of other diseases…those diseases are often those which contribute to poor outcomes.

  128. “All eyes darken is true, it just doesn’t notice in babies with darker eyes to start with. See the magazine article I linked! Or check a medical book.”

    No. Not all eyes darken. Joy is an ass.

  129. “At the moment there is not considered to be a genetic component as the reason for ethnic minorities and black people suffering higher rates of serious illness and death due to covid. It is believed to be due to lifestyle and other local factors. Perhaps in time, it will be shown certain genetic causes. It’s true of a lot of other diseases…those diseases are often those which contribute to poor outcomes.”

    Yes, Joy, we know you’re really up on genetics!

  130. Philemon,
    Okay, so you don’t want to check the article I linked. That’s your call but it says so in the article. Whoever wrote the thing has made a life’s study of baby’s eyes. Says that, too.

    My brother has pale grey blue eyes yet his eyes will have darkened or changed from when he was born.
    According to my mother his eyes were violet when he was born. I knew someone with dark blue /cornflower blue eyes, depending on the light and the day, again, he would have had pale violet blue eyes when he was born.

    Only someone with albinism, who has no pigment at all, would have no melanin at all to deposit. They have pink coloured eyes.

  131. Joy

    Not according to WOM

    As I said Netherland’s cases and serious cases continue to rise

    I’d also be interested in Sweden/Netherland demographics
    Comparative deaths between Netherlands and Sweden continue to rise

    Why NOT discuss the cost and benefits of lockdowns … we know lockdowns kill as well as Covid

  132. Yes according to WOM:
    So you must be looking at a different page.
    choose “Europe”
    then chose “deaths per million”
    Then explain why all the countries lower than Sweden did better than Sweden.
    You seem to think that “lockdown” is the answer. It’s clutching at straws.
    Lockdowns mean a different thing in each country. too, as previously discussed. Sweden has had all but a lock down with their many rules and regulations. Many have been on TV complaining about them. .

  133. According to WOM’s weekly trends:
    Sweden’s weekly case rate is +38%, so give it a two week or so period and the deaths will start to increase, in turn. To what level? One would expect to a less extent if vaccines are protecting more of the population.
     
    UK weekly trends:
    Cases -10%
    Deaths +14%. (A fall from 17% last week)
    So the rate is dropping. Long may it continue
    UjS cases +32% deaths +42%

    The US has 100,000 non vaccinated people. More than pretty well any European country
    baring Russia.

  134. “Why NOT discuss the cost and benefits of lockdowns … we know lockdowns kill as well as Covid”
    why NOT indeed. ..and we have done at great length.
    Yet the information provided is rejected as untrue. There’s not a lot one can’t do with that kind of denial
    It’s nuts.

  135. Not buying what? There’s nothing to buy, it’s all there in black and white.
    That is known as the argument from incredulity.
    Go and bother someone else

  136. New cases for UK are falling but active cases are still increasing but not at as great a rate (7 day average deaths are still rising as serious cases fall)

    Netherland cases are also falling but active cases are still increasing but not at as great a rate (7 day average deaths are still rising or flat as serious cases rise)

    Sweden cases are rising along with active cases, serious cases had a blip but 7 day death average continue to be flat at ZERO.

  137. I just quoted the numbers directly:
    our weekly trend death percentage is 14 percent. last few days it was reading 17 percent.
    See the numbers above.
    They are not mine, they are from WOM

    Like i said ages ago it’s the serious critical number which I look at for a measure re the UK as I know the statistics are reliable. Brazil and India have had the same number in serious critical for a year! !!
    Some countries are not recording the data for whatever reason, as accurately as others.
     
    That’s life

  138. “I don’t need your help Dennis, you need help understanding what has happened and why”

    LMAO. Your fundamental mistake is to continue thinking that “what has happened” has ever been primarily a medical/epidemiological problem. All else flows from that flawed premise…

    I understand quite well what has happened (and mostly why as well) over these past 18 months (with perhaps even worse to come, as politicians, media, and Big Pharma double-down on their utterly flawed and insane initial response to SARS-COV2 – their only solution being more tyranny, more useless muzzle mandates and lockdowns, and more dangerous and ineffective “booster” jabs).

    “Blaming medical staff is evidence of your general approach to all of this.”

    You’ve completely misunderstood where I lay primary blame for the flawed Covid response if that’s your takeaway from anything above, or from everything I’ve said on this blog for that last year and half. General “medical staff” – everyday nurses, EMTs, etc. – are not who I mean when I refer to the medical profession having disgraced itself utterly during this Covid ongoing debacle., but rather the administrators, public health officials, health industry bureaucrats (including many university medical/science professors and researchers) etc., who are setting, or helping to set, policy. Though some general staff and everyday healthcare workers (including doctors, who should certainly know better) surely bear some blame for going along with and kowtowing to what they should know are disastrous, insane, medically and scientifically unjustifiable policies.

  139. Joy said: … it’s the serious critical number which I look at for a measure re the UK as I know the statistics are reliable. Brazil and India have had the same number in serious critical for a year! !!

    And I’m talking serious critical number as well … IN EUROPE … not the 3rd world.
    Although UK critical are presently falling, they had almost quadrupled from 200’s to 800’s
    (Just like US from 3 or 400’s to 1200’s) [All in the paast two weeks]

    Netherlands rising daily (at least double from two weeks ago)
    Sweden up 50%

  140. John b,
    I don’t see your point. YEs there is an increase in numbers as was predicted. The UK started reopening fully in all measures three weeks ago. We have been opening up since April;
    The UK delayed opening for a further four weeks while vaccination was considered optimum or adequate to continue. Dob’t shoot he messenger, that’s what happened. The rises are no doubt associated with that.

    I repeated the prediction on here as well, within days of it being mentioned, so not sure what surprise? or puzzle? is there?

    Dennis,
    I’m not interested, just talk past me once again. carry on, it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.

  141. Sweden has changed again since yesterday as has the UK, should you or anybody find it necessary to make a cheap shot about facts of the data:
    UK -6% cases deaths +18% (was 17, then 14..as stated above).
    +9% cases -100% deaths

    So with patients in and out hospital in the undress, it’s little wonder that weekly averages don’t follow a neat convenient line. Maybe we are still seeing the effects of opening up here, maybe we’re on the wain. It seems we’re on the wain from the numbers I’ve been watching daly, here. Yet if it takes a few more weeks what are you or I going to do about it? Please explain what your precise point is. I should have ignored you on your Sweden point above since it wasn’t aimed at me presumably. It certainly wasn’t clear. Just a little opportunistic on your part seeing what other ‘treatment’ I was receiving…again!
    For the dreaded sin of telling the truth and being messenger to those who just won’t see

  142. To anyone who needs to settle a debate about the colour of baby poo:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=baby+poo+green&rlz=1C5CHFA_enGB887GB887&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAzvXYn5_yAhVUglwKHWjcB0sQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=2560&bih=1329&dpr=2#imgrc=ImWE6DBT72l4tM
    I also asked a mother of eight,
    “what colour is baby’s first poo”
    Green, bright green to black!
    (that will be due, as I said, to the iron content in the digestive tract.
    As for eye colour,
    checked with a mother of three,
    “all babies, even Indian ones are born with blue eyes.
    I then recalled our kittens, we have photographs of their baby blue eyes.
    Anything else? I have. a ;lot of other cat stories, no time

  143. “ Dennis, I’m not interested, just talk past me once again. carry on…”

    LMFAO! Figures. All your continued blather about “cases” rising or falling, “criticals,” something about baby crap…etc., just proves what I said before. You fail to see the primary issues at stake here:

    Your fundamental mistake is to continue thinking SARS-COV2/Covid has ever been primarily a medical/epidemiological problem. It is and always has been primarily a political problem (also exacerbated, and largely driven by, media). Yet you think it matters if “cases” (of dubious validity because of flawed testing) rise or fall by a few %, or a few % more or less are called “critical”? All beside the point at this stage.

  144. I haven’t made a fundamental mistake, Dennis, you do, each time you respond and misunderstand.

    WOM is available for perusal and that is what people are doing.
    “cases” in the US has a degre of accuracy diffeent from
    “cases” in the UK which is different again from
    “cases” in Katmandu

    It seems you don’t grasp this point because your’e so het up about ‘bad tests’ ‘false positive’; and on and on.
    Testing is an important part of medical management. Most medical tests carry a degree of inaccuracy with them. Yet another fact which probably many don’t appreciate.
    See the part where here, and over a year ago now, I pointed out that the number of people in hospital is the part which is a better measure of the state of infection at large in a given population. It is not without error (see Brazil and India) but for the UK is highly accurate in this epidemic. One can only assume that it is the same in the US, probably a list of other countries, but I can speak for what I know.
     
    It struck me a few comments back that you are under the illusion that I’m about to change my mind. Only if and when the facts change. Where the truth goes I’m going because that’s all I have. Others live in the luxury of being able to choose as and when.
     
    You agreed that there is such a thing as asymptomatic infection;
    That the virus exists (which some of your counterparts do not believe);
    That the vaccine is as described by our CMO? even if you think it’s a bad one? Did he define it accurately in the quote? Did he exaggerate the prospects for vaccine in general?
    I think you agree on that point;
    The infection fatality rate, which is still being calculated as time goes by and improves with time for the reasons outlined in the same lecture, epidemic 101…last I looked it varies according to country of origin be cause the number is affected by the population demographics! For our two countries, it’s .73, or something similar.
    As for the ranting about the trouble around the world, well they were there before covid. The real global threat is ignored by cowards. That this has affected everybody is also lost on you, it’s as if you think it’s only happening to you! Everybody else is having a party! Bad things only happen to conspiracy cult members

  145. Just spotted a comment box adjustment:
    “So with patients in and out hospital in the undress, it’s”
    Should be in the hundreds!
    The point is that when the numbers are small, percentages are often larger in integer than the actual nmber.
    Hence Sweden’s 100% sounding massive but probably being two instead of one.
    The numbers in and out of ITU will fluctuate up and down and appear to bounce around. Only after a longer time can you really start to notice a change. The staff know before the arrogant statisticians, too.
    They know it by their work load….Don’t need to count beans to work out what’s going on.

  146. Once again you prove my point about misconstruing the fundamental issues at stake in the ongoing Covid paranoia debacle by directing me to WOM “case” data. As if I care a fig at this point about “cases” anywhere, whether Kathmandu or even my own state (whose “case” numbers I’ve not checked in over a year). LOL!

    The real issues at stake for society going forward – see ex. Fraduci’s ominous claims today about a “flood of mandates” once they arbitrarily re-designate these mRNA gene therapies as “fully approved,” despite still not having completed stage 3 trials, and with adverse events and vax failure evidence mounting – are far beyond anything to do with Covid itself, or alleged “cases.”

    Anyway…off to the park to do some highly dangerous breathing of fresh air (the place is probably swarming with toxic fellow asymptomatic spreaders!), and log off for the remainder of the weekend.

  147. “Once again you prove my point about misconstruing the fundamental issues at stake in the ongoing Covid paranoia debacle by directing me to WOM “case” data. As if I care a fig at this point about “cases” anywhere, whether Kathmandu or even my own state (whose “case” numbers I’ve not checked in over a year). LOL!”
    No, Dennis, did you see JohnB’s point?
    I look at WOM, so does John B(), probably fo different reasons.
    I did not direct YOU to worldometer. You misunderstand.
    …and can we dispense with the LOL and LMAO or FOMC or JKENDEOWMFI>W>>WWW!!
    It’s irritating and a waste of character tees. Unless you want me to start trying to be irritating! You’ve seen nothin’

  148. “The real issues at stake for society going forward – see ex. Fraduci’s ominous claims today about a “flood of mandates” once they arbitrarily re-designate these mRNA gene therapies as “fully approved,” despite still not having completed stage 3 trials, and with adverse events and vax failure evidence mounting – are far beyond anything to do with Covid itself, or alleged “cases.””
     
    That’s quite a mouthful Dennis.
     
    I will try to summarise your position, simplify, mathematics style:
    “The next hot potato_see the man who knows all about where the skeletons are buried: today, threatens restrictions after [THEY] randomly judge vaccines as good!!!! *the horror; despite evidence to the contrary, those rules and regs and mandates, being nothing to do with the disease anyway!”

    Simplify:
    Next: That and is threatening mandates!!!!! Despite (‘iffy’)vaccines being irrelevant to the mandates situation!
    Therefore:
    That man Fauci, is threatening mandates
    ~~~
    My prediction is they won’t push it any further than they know they can get away with as they won’t want to be seen as ineffective, or weak.
    (The deaths will happen regardless if pools aren’t vaccinated). The virus and human physiology doesn’t know or care about Fauci or Biden or anybody else.

  149. philemon,

    Oh, in England. Never thought of doing a google search for that. Sorry.

    So another 30 second (actually, more like 3 second) google search found the US CDC stats, which turn out to be similar to the UK ones:

    Percent of children aged 6 months to 17 years who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 50.4%
    Percent of adults aged 18-49 who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 34.2%
    Percent of adults aged 50-64 who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 46.8%
    Percent of adults aged 65 and over who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 68.7%

  150. Johnno,

    (Been busy. Better late than never.)

    The *absolute number* getting bugged is increasing amongst the vaccinated themselves at a rate GREATER than the unvaxxed.

    In the UK, cases are going up – probably because most social distancing rules have ended, and the delta variant is more infectious – but deaths are going down. I have no reason to think any claim made by you is factually correct.

    A better [analogy] would be comparing vehicle distance to social distancing.

    That *was* the analogy.

    The point you were trying to grasp at was caution, but the problem is that the masks don’t serve the purpose you think they do, therefore the analogy is flawed.

    Masks work. JohnM’s rhetorical question was based on a faulty premise, namely “If safety feature A works, why do we need safety feature B?” The answer is simple: neither safety feature is 100% effective on its own. There was nothing wrong with the analogy (not my analogy, I stole it from someone on Reddit!), it is almost perfect.

    You are of course aware that if the phlegm was effective in keeping all the viral matter trapped, then your own skin layers would be more than capable of halting anything than a piece of moisture absorbent cloth, correct?

    Why say “all” viral matter? Everything has to be all or nothing with you. There are degrees of effectiveness. As for my skin, I don’t have any over my mouth or nose. Maybe you’ve watched The Matrix too many times?

    Doctors do nor operate on patients if they are a little sick, even using the superior N95s, because that’s not what they are for.

    False. Surgeons often work while they are ill. Look stuff up online before making a fool of yourself.

    This is even borne in the data where we watched illnesses and deaths and positive cases rise merrily despite the increase of mask usage due to miserable mandates.

    This doesn’t prove anything. Cases would have risen faster/higher without mask mandates. In any case, many people were already wearing masks before they were mandatory – I was wearing an N95 mask weeks before masks were required by law. In many places, making masks mandatory only increased their use by about 10%, so you wouldn’t necessarily expect to see a noticeable difference.

    But you are aware of people getting infections, rashes, fungal diseases, respiratory problems, dizzying, fainting, increased claustrophobia/aggression/depression etc. Correct?

    No, I’m not. You’re probably just making stuff up as usual.

    Some of which can lead to long term chronic illnesses if prolonged but immediate deaths are unlikely because people intuitively know to just remove and stop wearing them.

    Like when they can’t breathe, even though oxygen molecules are 300 times smaller than the virus particles you claim masks can’t stop?

    But there are also close calls with vehicle collisions due to fainting and breathing issues which so far have no reports of fatalities, but insurance sure isn’t covering for dumb people driving with a mask on and nobody has been dumb enough to mandate them when driving or operating heavy machinery. Wanna guess why?

    Most heavy machinery is operated outdoors where it isn’t necessary to wear a mask. You can’t find a single example of anyone dying from wearing a mask. Meanwhile, over 600,000 people in your country have died from COVID-19. Where is your sense of proportion?

  151. “fYou are of course aware that if the phlegm was effective in keeping all the viral matter trapped, then your own skin layers would be more than capable of halting anything than a piece of moisture absorbent cloth, correct?”
    Re that statement /question:
     
    Firstly, it is highly effective but some of the virus will inevitably be in water vapour as the primary epithelial cells which take part in the initial infection, are directly in contact with the air which flows over it’s surface on inhalation and exhalation…and during coughing or huffing.
     
    Skin is irrelevant unless it is another surface where infected material has landed i.e Hands, face

    See Wendy Barclay on the twelve laters which changed the world.
    This virus is spreading the same way that other respiratory corona viruses do. It is/was, just novel to our own immune systems at present and is more infectious due to a protein enzyme/protease, plus a change in the genetic code of the virus, such that it is able to enter the cell more directly and bypass the regular route through the endosomes of the cell.

    This means that through the non endosomal pathway, the virus replicates more times and more rapidly than it otherwise ordinarily would, though the ace two receptor. This adds to the amount of virus present particularly in the early stages of infection.

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